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Old 05-22-2008, 05:03 PM   #61
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ATYCLB could have failed so majorly it would have killed the band
if it hadn't been for Beautiful Day it probably would have failed
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Old 05-22-2008, 05:06 PM   #62
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ATYCLB could have failed so majorly it would have killed the band
if it hadn't been for Beautiful Day it probably would have failed
How exactly? It's not like people only loved BD. The whole album was a huge hit!
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Well, they did beat that Prodigy album by 4 months
and Chemical Brothers by 1 month
but those bands were continuing on their own sound
so to say U2 would be ahead of them of complete nonsense


it is ridiculous to deny U2 weren't trying to tap into what was happening musically back in the 90s
they just didn't look at what was most popular, they looked at what was most 'exciting' / 'cool' whatever
when that approach basically failed somewhat with POP they had to refocus again
since there was nothing else to tap into at the moment (unless they were going to make an album based on Outkast's Hey ya) they tapped into their own sound
good decision

Did you not understand what I posted?

I said BREAKTHROUGH albums, and was referring to Dig Your Own Hole and The Fat of the Land, specifically. I'm fully aware of their release dates as well. I was listening to those artists before Pop came out too, but it wasn't in the mainstream yet. And the main point I made, which you ignored, is that had Pop come out when it was supposed to, before the end of 1996, it would have come off a lot less like hopping on the bandwagon. The point is that they had been dabbling in this stuff for YEARS, and this album had a long gestation period.

Also, the scene in America was even less evolved, so to bring these elements to the forefront was even riskier in terms of sales there. And guess what? It didn't do as well.

And I agree with Zoots that the success of ATYCLB did not rest solely on Beautiful Day. Again, when you have that many catchy songs on the album (didn't the band describe it as an album full of singles?), your risk factor is a hell of a lot lower than when you have shit like Mofo, Miami, and Please to work with.
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Old 05-22-2008, 05:46 PM   #64
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Again, when you have that many catchy songs on the album (didn't the band describe it as an album full of singles?), your risk factor is a hell of a lot lower than when you have shit like Mofo, Miami, and Please to work with.
Yes! Exactly!
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SATS being a nod to Oasis?!
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Old 05-22-2008, 08:29 PM   #66
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Yeah, I don't really get that either. Just because it's poppy, apparently.
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Wow laz and intedomine agreed on something!
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It's amazing how the mere presence of U2 Girl can cause solidarity in others.
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I could be wrong
but if my memory serves me right you're talking nonsense here

actually I looked it up
Chemical Brothers - Exit Planet Dust (June 1995)

Prodigy - Music for the jilted generation (April 1994)

Underworld - Born Slippy (1995)
"Exit Planet Dust" was a top ten album in the UK. #9 to be exact.

"Music for the Jilted Generation" was a #1 record in the UK.

"Firestarter" was a #1 UK single for 3 weeks in March, 1996.

"Underworld" had a #2 UK single in 1996 with "Born Slippy."

Throw in "Leftism" by Leftfield. #3 on UK album chart in 1995. Adam used to name drop that album alot.

Pretty darn "breakthrough."
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Why the hell are we talking about U2 in B&C? I came in here to make fun of Metallica.
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"Exit Planet Dust" was a top ten album in the UK. #9 to be exact.

"Music for the Jilted Generation" was a #1 record in the UK.

"Firestarter" was a #1 UK single for 3 weeks in March, 1996.

"Underworld" had a #2 UK single in 1996 with "Born Slippy."

Throw in "Leftism" by Leftfield. #3 on UK album chart in 1995. Adam used to name drop that album alot.

Pretty darn "breakthrough."

Again, what's popular in the UK isn't necessarily a barn-burner in the rest of the world, namely U2's BIGGEST MARKET, the U.S. People in the UK are (or used to be) way more welcoming to different genres of music, compared to our homogenized Top 40.

What chart positions did those albums reach over here? Nada.

Regardless, Pop sounds NOTHING like any of them.

The breakthrough is writing some great songs on an album with very heavy themes, and still keeping it within a verse-chorus-verse format, something none of those artists, as good as they are, accomplished.
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Exactly.

It aped a sound that was supposed to be "the next big thing" in the US.

The sonic dressing on Pop takes ALOT from that scene. They bet. They lost.

The songwriting on Pop is solid. All the crap they dropped on top of those songs is where things get very, very, trendy.
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But trendy WHERE is the question. Because what may have sounded outr in the UK by April '97 was still pretty fresh when it hit these shores. Unfortunately, U.S. listeners are too fucking dense to accept anything cutting edge until way after the fact, so it didn't play here.

In the UK, it came out too late and was likely seen as been there, done that. It still sold pretty well in Europe, however.
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this is making me dream of an australian summer where i can see Tallica and u2 tour with new albums 2010 here i come .... HEAVEN PEOPLE HEAVEN !

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