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Old 09-11-2009, 02:38 PM   #16
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this is the reason why I could never get into SP...
That + They sucked live.

I saw them once at Roseland when SD came out and they f'ing rocked*, and then a year or two later somewhere else and they sucked so bad** that I really lost interest in them.







*I was quite unsober. I also thought Dave Matthews was amazing, and would have sworn, at the time, that the Spin Doctors were the greatest band ever due this whole unsober business I used to run with a lot. So there's that....
** They were headlining a festival and by the time they came on I was pretty sober.
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That + They sucked live.

I saw them once at Roseland when SD came out and they f'ing rocked*, and then a year or two later somewhere else and they sucked so bad** that I really lost interest in them.







*I was quite unsober. I also thought Dave Matthews was amazing, and would have sworn, at the time, that the Spin Doctors were the greatest band ever due this whole unsober business I used to run with a lot. So there's that....
** They were headlining a festival and by the time they came on I was pretty sober.

*I had this same experience with Sonic Youth, I was so high that I thought they were awesome, when I actually listened to their CD sober I was like wtf??

**Lollapalooza? Thats the only time I saw them...
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Old 09-11-2009, 03:11 PM   #18
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*I had this same experience with Sonic Youth, I was so high that I thought they were awesome, when I actually listened to their CD sober I was like wtf??

**Lollapalooza? Thats the only time I saw them...
* I do think Sonic Youth is a much better live band than a studio band.

** I believe it was, yes. They sucked. And then he gave the most ridiculous speech about nothing. And on top of that, when they played Disarm he sang, "I used to be a little GIRL" and he really emphasized "girl" and it was just so fucking stupid. Ugh.
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* I do think Sonic Youth is a much better live band than a studio band.

** I believe it was, yes. They sucked. And then he gave the most ridiculous speech about nothing. And on top of that, when they played Disarm he sang, "I used to be a little GIRL" and he really emphasized "girl" and it was just so fucking stupid. Ugh.

*Yes you could be right

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Also, and I'm definitely going to be in a minority here:

Zwan -- Mary Star of the Sea > Mellon Collie, Machina, Adore, & Gish
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I have a hard time putting the Zwan album ahead of Adore, but that's really it.
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Am I the only one that prefers Machina I to Mellon Collie? I think the first 7 or 8 songs are all very good to great.

And I have a copy of Machina II but it's pretty poor quality. Need to find a better one.
I'm a HUGE Machina fan.

I also liked Zwan a lot.

But that's just me, kids!
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I have a hard time putting the Zwan album ahead of Adore, but that's really it.
There's something just really joyful in the music on the Zwan album, if I may borrow a Bonerism.

Corgan's singing is also less grating than normal. I also love the interplay of the guitars, and Lenchantin's bass playing is a big improvement on D'Arcy and Auf der Mar. Plus, Chamberlain is one of the best drummers in the business, so it was nice to see him on board as well.

Lyric, Settle Down, and Honestly are three of the catchiest tunes of Corgan's career. I also like Ride a Black Swan, Heartsong, and then there's that brilliant Desire near the end. Of course the big epic overstays its welcome, but it's certainly not any more indulgent than what Corgan normally does.

Very underrated.

Adore has its pleasures, but it's way too uneven by comparison. And no Chamberlain. Machina as I said before is very good, but the album's second half pales in comparison to its first, with the exception of With Every Light. Ghost and the Glass Children in particular is laughable.
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I agree with the bulk of what you just wrote, but, I think that Age of Innocence is a great song, so the album at least ends well.
 
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Marty's version is better.

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