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Old 10-01-2009, 01:09 PM   #256
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The DVD is definitely essential; is there anyone who made that many great videos? And most of them still hold up.
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Old 10-01-2009, 01:21 PM   #257
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The DVD is definitely essential; is there anyone who made that many great videos? And most of them still hold up.
I'm not getting into an argument because I know you're not a fan, but I think Michael Jackson bests Madonna in the music video department, at least for some of the biggest ones. I'd actually rank them even in the music vid department, but "Thriller" and "Smooth Criminal" give him the edge in my book.
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Well, he's definitely known as a video pioneer, but while some have stood the test of time and remain very impressive, some are rather over the top and more memorable than "good". The other thing is that Madonna has been more prolific in terms of making music, which is why I was trying to say she made the most great ones, not necessarily the best (though I personally believe they are).

I also think if you consider the multitude of social messages found in Madonna's videos, and the way they've been used express her various viewpoints and interests over the years, she's utilized the medium in more diverse and more interesting ways than any other artist, by far.
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Madonna has so many great songs that this should have been a full blown box set with all the major hits and choice album cuts, and then a disc of rarities/outtakes (if there are any). Then add the DVD and some other nice extras, and you've got as good a career overview as possible.
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Well, he's definitely known as a video pioneer, but while some have stood the test of time and remain very impressive, some are rather over the top and more memorable than "good". The other thing is that Madonna has been more prolific in terms of making music, which is why I was trying to say she made the most great ones, not necessarily the best (though I personally believe they are).

I also think if you consider the multitude of social messages found in Madonna's videos, and the way they've been used express her various viewpoints and interests over the years, she's utilized the medium in more diverse and more interesting ways than any other artist, by far.
This is true. I think "Like A Prayer" was the first time she did that, using it to get a social message across that is, and I've never understood why it was so controversial at the time. I mean, I understand the arguments given for the controversy, but they were all based on a misunderstanding of the message anyway.
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Old 10-01-2009, 01:50 PM   #261
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Agree with laz re: MJ vs Madonna videos.

I'll buy this Greatest Hits because:

a) I'm a sucker

b) I want the new songs

c) I think there are one or two songs on this comp that I don't have in my collection, so yay.
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Old 10-01-2009, 02:10 PM   #262
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It should also be noted that the songs have all been remastered, which is another plus.

And people are already selling the 2CD set for around $10 on amazon. Not bad. That tracklisting is one of the more formidable list of singles I've ever seen. Is there anyone other than The Beatles who could boast more hits?
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Elvis is the only other one that comes to mind.
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Yeah, he had a lot, and there are some great ones, but overall it doesn't impress me very much compared to Madonna's diverse set.

Plus, you know, he didn't write ANY of it.
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Well, since this is the Madonna "appreciation" thread, I'm gonna say that I really have liked Madonna's last several albums. I see no competition between Madonna and the other female pop acts like Christina and Shitney. Madonna, as always, is in a class by herself. Madonna is just being herself like she has always been for the last 25 years as a pop Megastar. She isn't looking to emulate Shitney, Christina or anyone else.
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Yeah, he had a lot, and there are some great ones, but overall it doesn't impress me very much compared to Madonna's diverse set.

Plus, you know, he didn't write ANY of it.
Doesn't impress me as much either; just noting that fact, which is undeniable.
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I read that as "Shirley", and wasn't sure if it was in reference to Temple or Manson.
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madonna lives a block away from me now.

seriously.
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Well, he's definitely known as a video pioneer, but while some have stood the test of time and remain very impressive, some are rather over the top and more memorable than "good". The other thing is that Madonna has been more prolific in terms of making music, which is why I was trying to say she made the most great ones, not necessarily the best (though I personally believe they are).

I also think if you consider the multitude of social messages found in Madonna's videos, and the way they've been used express her various viewpoints and interests over the years, she's utilized the medium in more diverse and more interesting ways than any other artist, by far.
I agree. I think that a good example of that is the "Express Yourself" video. With a few updates, this Fincher's masterpiece could easily be released on the music channels today and would still blow away most of today's pop music videos.

Another example of that is the "Erotica" and "Justify My Love" videos. Controversial? Sure. But, what's the difference between the sex-overture in those videos and the sex-exploitation of today's pop music videos? On Madonna's case there was a very strong artistic concept, currencies and scenario behind it, which doesn't these days. These two videos would still be shocking and banned if released today.

I think that what makes the difference between MJ's and Madonna's videos is that MJ's videos are memorable mostly because of certain images, certain moves/choreographies (sometimes some messages, yeah, but not what firstly stays in the mind). In Madonna's case, her videos are memorable because of the messages that were almost always pretty strong (then, controversial) and because of certain imagetics/personnas she's been creating and undressing.
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