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Old 09-09-2015, 11:52 PM   #421
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I'm not religious at all. I love it. I find it really compelling. Same reason I love Sufjan Stevens' music. They have both explored themes of religious questioning in their lyrics, which I find very fascinating.

Sufjan is incredible.
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Old 09-09-2015, 11:52 PM   #423
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You're missing the point entirely.


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Old 09-09-2015, 11:53 PM   #424
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The other great thing is that when they say 'you' or 'him' or 'her' you can just pretend they're talking about a girl you like.
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Old 09-10-2015, 12:02 AM   #425
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I'm not religious at all. I love it. I find it really compelling. Same reason I love Sufjan Stevens' music. They have both explored themes of religious questioning in their lyrics, which I find very fascinating. I much prefer the Bono who penned Wake Up Dead Man than the one who writes some of the tripe that is found on SoI.
Yeah if music must have religious themes, I'm always going to take something like Wake Up Dead Man.

I admit I'm a total hypocrite on this front. My hyper U2 fandom closely coincided with my brief bout of hyper-religiosity, so I related to the religious lyrics then and now that I'm an atheist I barely even notice or pay attention to it. Yet I know that if I discovered a band today and heard the likes of Gloria, With a Shout, Drowning Man, 40, The First Time, Grace, Yahweh, etc., I'd judge them quite negatively for it.

It does irk me mildly when Bono blathers about god in concerts (what god who created music, Bono? shall we pause this gig to debate theology?), and the really strong religious bent of atu2's coverage is off-putting to me. I suppose Interference has run articles in the past with a religious bent too but I never look at the homepage.
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Old 09-10-2015, 12:20 AM   #426
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Its tough for the GOP to use campaign music outside of country, Kid Rock, or Sammy Hagar.

The Dems milk that COBL for all it's worth. I bet some campaign operatives are going to start bitching about it being a warhorse. haha
If I was a politician, my campaign song would be Exit. It's a great, uplifting anthem.
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Old 09-10-2015, 01:04 AM   #427
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I no more have a problem with U2 having religious themes, ideas, questioning and/or imagery than I do Bob Dylan or anyone else. I know it doesn't look like it in 2015, but this stuff is part of the cultural inheritance (and so in that vein I would not necessarily care what the songwriter's own private beliefs were, if any; it's 50/50 whether Nick Cave, to name another, does literally believe, for instance).

The imagery and memes associated with primitive Christianity particularly, are a well that never runs dry when it comes to art concerned with questions of justice, and good and evil (and yes, evil exists, just because it isn't a devil with a pointy tail and horns does not make it any less real).
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I've been an agnostic/atheist since I was a teenager, and have been pretty militantly anti-religion since my mid-20s. When it comes to U2, I became a fan between Rattle & Hum and Achtung Baby, so I heard the whole spectrum of what they had done to that point, and saw their beliefs as just one shade of that spectrum. While it does inform a good deal of Bono's writing, he's had worthwhile and poetic things to say about a myriad of subjects. Of the religious songs, there are many that deal with spiritual crises and are more than mere proselytizing. Though even something like Yahweh reaches me on a certain level because I can feel the joy behind it even if the subject matter isn't something I connect with intellectually.

And ultimately, the members of the band are socially conscious and charitable people. They don't just talk the talk but have been giving back to communities both local and global for most of their career. So more power to them if they're using their beliefs for those purposes and not as shields for intolerance.

As for Michael Stipe and R.E.M., I'm obviously a big supporter of their politics. But Ignoreland is still one of the worst pieces of shit ever recorded and sticks out like a sore thumb on its respective, otherwise non-political album.
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No problems with U2's religious perspective whatsoever, since it is more faith-based and less to do with organised religion, which they tended to crucify in the past.

Some of Bono's god-loving speeches during concerts were a bit much though, especially on the 3rd leg of the Elevation Tour.

And I love most of October, which is pretty much a Christian record. Even something as deeply personal as Tomorrow gets to that point in the climax. Hell, I even love With a Shout. No matter what one feels about religion, it is a well of powerful imagery and can obviously inspire tons of songwriters, even those who are staunch atheists.
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Of the religious songs, there are many that deal with spiritual crises and are more than mere proselytizing.
This is basically it for me. The only real issue I take with religious people is the proselytism, which is something I have not felt U2 do in their music.
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I don't always agree with Michael Stipe, but when I do, I agree that Donald Trump is running a moronic charade of a campaign.
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Thanks all for the responses. Quite insightful.


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And I love most of October, which is pretty much a Christian record. Even something as deeply personal as Tomorrow gets to that point in the climax.
Bono shouting Jesus is coming is definitely the highlight of that song. On the face of it, I can't connect with that lyric at all but knowing its context and Bono's delivery make it one of his most emotionally hard-hitting lyrics. I think that applies to most of his religous lyrics.
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I just went to the REM Facebook page and posted something in relation to the Trump thingie. Pretty much told the "haters" that if they didn't know that REM were a political band, they were living in a cave for the last 30 years and that Trump was wrong to not at least attempt to get their permission to use their song. (Which they wouldn't have given anyway. )
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