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Old 05-08-2011, 02:31 PM   #16
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My exposure to LIVE Zep is pretty limited to How the West Was Won, The BBC Sessions and The Song Remains the Same....along with a few clips here and there. They always struck me, from this limited viewpoint....as inconsistent LIVE....cos I've seen clips where I'm fucking blown away, and I've seen some lesser performances, etc. Am I right in considering them a bit uneven LIVE, but when they fire on all cylinders, simply fucking amazing? Or am I off-base and maybe influenced by notorious performances like LIVE Aid and Atlantic Record's 40th (Both without John Bonham, of course).
I'm sure that there were many times when they were hammered / stoned enough that the performances suffered, but the officially-released live stuff, as attested on the DVD, has all been pure gold, in my mind at least.

The live performances of Going to California are some of the most beautiful things that I have heard.

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Fine, but one has to realize that the band's reasoning for leaving it off the album it was recorded for doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
I would agree with that. Replacing The Crunge with Houses would certainly have improved the album, but The Crunge seems to be the only real candidate for the substitution. From what I've read, they were fairly insistent on including that song in order to demonstrate that they had a sense of humor. I'm not saying that's logical, but it is apparently what they wanted.
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Thanks, IY.

My favorite LIVE track of theirs is That's the Way from How the West Was Won. Could listen to that on repeat all fucking day.
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So no comments on my thoughts re: Houses of the Holy (the song), and whether or not it fits better on the album it shares a title with?
I believe I did comment on this, albeit without much thought. Offhand, I think The Crunge > Houses > Dancing Days would make a great trio, or you could flip Dancing Days and Houses and place No Quarter after that to slowly increase the rawk.

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My exposure to LIVE Zep is pretty limited to How the West Was Won, The BBC Sessions and The Song Remains the Same....along with a few clips here and there. They always struck me, from this limited viewpoint....as inconsistent LIVE....cos I've seen clips where I'm fucking blown away, and I've seen some lesser performances, etc. Am I right in considering them a bit uneven LIVE, but when they fire on all cylinders, simply fucking amazing? Or am I off-base and maybe influenced by notorious performances like LIVE Aid and Atlantic Record's 40th (Both without John Bonham, of course).
Bear in mind, there were a lot of health issues with the band by about 77, in which it became clear that Page's drug use was ravaging his body. The Knebworth gig on the Zeppelin DVD is tough to watch because of that, and it's also clear that Page's performances were far sloppier. As much as I adore that performance of Sick Again, its roughness is not a testament to a lack of rehearsal; he was just not in any kind of shape to perform. Bonham was getting worn down from alcohol abuse as well...like Keith Moon, who infamously was unable to do the drum part of Who Are You initially because of his physical state, Bonham is visibly struggling through that gig, although he doesn't make a lot of mistakes.

So, yes, they were kind of a mess near the end there, which created that inconsistency issue.
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I would agree with that. Replacing The Crunge with Houses would certainly have improved the album, but The Crunge seems to be the only real candidate for the substitution. From what I've read, they were fairly insistent on including that song in order to demonstrate that they had a sense of humor. I'm not saying that's logical, but it is apparently what they wanted.
Agreed. Though it's not like the album could only have 8 songs; the first three Zeppelin albums all have 9.
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Agreed. Though it's not like the album could only have 8 songs; the first three Zeppelin albums all have 9.
Well III has 10, actually, unless you don't consider Hats Off a song. It kind of sucks, but it's still a song.
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Right.

Still more than 8.

And it makes you wonder why Hey Hey What Can I Do was omitted when Hats Off is on there.
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It does. But "Hats Off" is definitely in line with the off-kilter folk of III's second side.
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II is my favourite Led Zeppelin album. The last three tracks are some of the best music I've ever heard.
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The Rain Song is heartbreakingly gorgeous.
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The live performances of Going to California are some of the most beautiful things that I have heard.

YouTube - Led Zeppelin-Going To California
Just listened to that...effing amazing.
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I consider Achilles Last Stand to be their greatest song.
I must concur.
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I think their later work should be more appreciated. I consider Achilles Last Stand to be their greatest song.
Definitely in my Top 5.

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And it makes you wonder why Hey Hey What Can I Do was omitted when Hats Off is on there.
This one too.
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Definitely in my Top 5.
It was on your DI list, no? I loved the hell out of it.
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