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Old 02-17-2011, 04:58 PM   #661
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I heard that seacrest interview on the radio, but I didn't hear her mention Clarence. Where'd you hear that?

I wasn't blown away by this track at first, but it's quickly grown on me and I quite like it, unoriginal though it may be.

What's up with all the "just be yourself" songs lately? "We Are Who We Are", "Firework" and now this?
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What's up with all the "just be yourself" songs lately? "We Are Who We Are", "Firework" and now this?
individuality is the new conformity?
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I heard that seacrest interview on the radio, but I didn't hear her mention Clarence. Where'd you hear that?

I wasn't blown away by this track at first, but it's quickly grown on me and I quite like it, unoriginal though it may be.

What's up with all the "just be yourself" songs lately? "We Are Who We Are", "Firework" and now this?
Sorry, the Clarence part came from an article I read on rollingstone.com.

And can I just say that this performance still blows me away a year later? Anyone who says Gaga is just flash and is just another pop star is a fool. If she isn't someone's cup of tea, that's fine, but to say she's not a genuinely talented artist and musician is crazy. Also, I should start an Elton appreciation thread. I've been on an even bigger Elton kick than usual lately.

YouTube - lady gaga elton john speechless / your song
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I saw that this morning. Amazing. She's about a billion times more talented than Katy Perry or Ke$ha.
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plus that still image when you haven't loaded the video is hilarious.
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"Edgy" is such a nebulous term, though. What exactly do you mean by that?

One could argue that openly embracing the LGBT rights movement in the form of an extremely high-profile pop song is as "edgy" if not "edgier" than anything she's done. Especially with how fiercely divided our country is on so many things, including these sorts of social rights issues.

I don't know.

I like that it makes a statement. And it does so while also getting people to dance and getting that message stuck in people's heads via a catchy chorus. She knows she has a lot of power right now, and it's better that she's using that massive pop culture power for something positive rather than something negative.

Edgy? I don't know. The subject matter in the lyrics, in my view, is certainly edgier (or, at least, more thought and discussion provoking) than "RAH RAH AH AH AHHHH" or "p-p-p-poker face." But I'm guessing you were referring more to the tone of the music and not the lyric. My bad. I've had a few, and I'm going to go have some pancakes.
Yeah I was referring to the tone of the music, I had no idea what the song was about. I've never been (and never will be) a big straight-up pop music fan, so for me the music's gotta be doing something different. Props for the lyrics though, and you're right, they're much edgier than "da do do da just dance".
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There's been discussion/cringing at her use of "orient" and "chola" in the lyrics. Interesting discussions to be found among the LOLRACIST comments. ("orient" seems to be more of a target of the comments than "chola," but I've only really been browsing on a few sites)

Is she trying to say they should be "reclaimed"? Or is it possible she's not aware that many people take offense at the use of "orient"? Because she includes it in the line "your Lebanese / your orient," and that makes it sound like "orient" is a nationality like "Lebanese," to which one can only say gurrrrrrrrrrrrrl, no.
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I looked up at one of the TVs at the gym this morning, and momentarily thought that a morning talk show was showing a wax figure of Lady Gaga, as it was all shiny and covered in ludicrous amounts of fake looking makeup. When the wax figure started moving and talking, I nearly fell off the elliptical machine.
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I read a blurb that she showed up in some sort of latex getup on whatever show it was. Safe sex and all that.

Sounds like that was the horror you witnessed.

The Express Yourself drama unfolds: Gaga said on Leno that "Madonna's people" had sent her an email saying they loved the song or whatever, but the other day "Madonna's people" apparently said that there was no email sent.

Dun-dun-duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun.

A pop song sounds like another pop song. Alert the national guard. I hear the similarities, but I honestly don't think they're THAT similar, at least not enough to deserve such a pop music uproar.
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I read a blurb that she showed up in some sort of latex getup on whatever show it was. Safe sex and all that.

Sounds like that was the horror you witnessed.

The Express Yourself drama unfolds: Gaga said on Leno that "Madonna's people" had sent her an email saying they loved the song or whatever, but the other day "Madonna's people" apparently said that there was no email sent.

Dun-dun-duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun.

A pop song sounds like another pop song. Alert the national guard. I hear the similarities, but I honestly don't think they're THAT similar, at least not enough to deserve such a pop music uproar.
Don't you? The melodies and chord progressions are exactly the same, both for the instrumental and most of the vocal melody.

Plus, both are clearly about the empowering a social group. The original ("Express Yourself") is a song of empowering women, the copy-paste ("Born This Way") is empowering-LGBT community (read it as "the-same-old-gay-audience-pleasing-formula-this-time-in-your-face"). Adding to this, although the structure is not the same, the tone and vocative of the lyrics is pretty much the same.

Want more "originality" than this?

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Oh my God, I DO know "Express Yourself". That WAS the song it was reminding of. I feel kind of stupid now.


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Sorry, the Clarence part came from an article I read on rollingstone.com.
Oh ok, that's awesome then .


So has it been pretty much Gaga straight up saying that the song is about the LGBT community? It always bugs me when an artist is adamant about what their music is about, because it makes it harder to make a song your own. What if you're an over-weight 13 year old kid who gets picked on and Lady Gaga is your hero? Are you allowed to take comfort in "Born This Way"?
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I had no idea it was that blatant. I hope Madonna sues the pants off of her.

Because that would be vaguely hot-ish. Not that she wears pants.
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Yes, of course I hear the similarities (and now that you point more of them out, I would agree that they're a lot more similar than I had first considered), but when I listened to it the first few times, I didn't immediately think of Express Yourself. Had it not been pointed out 18,036,363 online this past week, I don't know that I'd ever notice it, because I'm not looking for it, and honestly, I usually don't care that much if a pop or rock sounds like another.

I understand the criticism of Gaga's lack of originality, or those who find her intriguing but don't think her songs match up to her "performance art." I do, I get it.

I just don't care that much. I don't necessarily want originality in the pop music I love. If it's there on top of great beats, fun songs and stuff I can sing along to, then great. If not, I just want to love the songs.

I love Madonna, I love Gaga. I don't care that Gaga rehashes previous artists. If I didn't love her songs so much, I'd probably be more butthurt about it. And hey - someone has to be Madonna these days. Madonna's too busy doing yoga or something.

And I realize I misspoke earlier about the "orient" thing - I was quoting the wrong line. I meant to reference the line that says something like "orient-made." I think the line I mentioned is clearly "orient" as in "orientation."

Anyway.
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