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Old 09-23-2009, 01:47 PM   #16
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It's a shame that song writing ability doesn't factor in to making the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. KISS? Come on!
I guess Elvis would never have gotten in then.
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I guess Elvis would never have gotten in then.
Madonna either.


There is a songwriter's hall of fame, no?
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I guess Elvis would never have gotten in then.
Touche.

Too bad performing halfway decent songs doesn't factor in to making the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. KISS? Come on!
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Actually, Madonna writes most of her stuff.

And yes, there is:

Songwriters Hall of Fame - Virtual Museum Home
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Touche.

Too bad performing halfway decent songs doesn't factor in to making the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. KISS? Come on!
That's better.

While I've never been into Kiss, I can understand their nomination.
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That Rock n Roll All Night Party Everyday song is pretty much the worst song of all time.

It is also the most overplayed song on classic rock radio, at least in the New York area. It is always a test of how fast I can change the station when that song starts playing.
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Laz, are you really telling me you'd be surprised by Bon Jovi getting in?
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Actually, Madonna writes most of her stuff.
This should be repeated.
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Laz, are you really telling me you'd be surprised by Bon Jovi getting in?
Yes, I would be. They aren't influential, they don't have any legitimate critical standing. I don't think it's any kind of sure thing, because all they've done is sell a bunch of records, and stay together for a long time. There's got to be something more than that.
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Actually, Madonna writes most of her stuff.
The vast majority are collaborations.
And big early hits like Holiday, Borderline and Like A Virgin are all penned by others.
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There SHOULD be something more than that, but I wouldn't be surprised, personally, if there didn't end up having to be anything more than that.
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Yes, I would be. They aren't influential, they don't have any legitimate critical standing. I don't think it's any kind of sure thing, because all they've done is sell a bunch of records, and stay together for a long time. There's got to be something more than that.
They are generally critically panned, and I think that says a lot, whereas with RHCP, they've been around a long time but have also been generally praised for their work.

I can't see Bon Jovi getting in, at least not right away.
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Yes, I would be. They aren't influential, they don't have any legitimate critical standing. I don't think it's any kind of sure thing, because all they've done is sell a bunch of records, and stay together for a long time. There's got to be something more than that.
Richie Zambuca married and then divorced Heather Locklear. Thats rock and roll. (And of course would also guarantee Motley Crue's induction )
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The vast majority are collaborations.
And big early hits like Holiday, Borderline and Like A Virgin are all penned by others.
Ok, so she co-writes most of her stuff. A lot of the ideas are still hers though.
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So what if they're collaborations? It's not like she simply writes the words; she's very involved with the musical direction and arrangements. She finds producers that she admires and shapes the sound of her albums with them.

It's not like she hires "hitmakers" like Bon Jovi or Aerosmith do, so she can have a big radio song on her album. Feel free to look up the name "Desmond Child" and you can see that some of those bands' biggest hits were co-written. And he's also worked with Kiss, for the record. Bon Jovi has been collaborating with Child from Slippery When Wet all the way up to their upcoming album this year.

Oh yeah, Bon Jovi also co-wrote "It's My Life" with Max Martin, the svengali behind N'Sync, Backstreet Boys, and Britney Spears.

And on Bounce they have several songs co-written by Andreas Carlsson, a Swedish pop guy who also worked with Clay Aiken, Celine Dion, N'Sync, Hilary Duff, etc.

Bon Jovi=NO CREDIBILITY.
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