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I still wouldn't rush out to buy his records, but I really enjoyed Jay-Z as the opening act, especially at my second U2 GA show. He's a fantastic, charismatic performer
LemonMelon said:But it's awful. No different than recommending ATYCLB for its accessibility, tbh. "Accessibility" is also kind of a silly concept when discussing one of the biggest mainstream rappers of the past two decades.
Reasonable Doubt and Blueprint 1. If you don't like either, don't bother.
oh, it is? shit, i'd better stop enjoying it then.
considering who i was recommending it to, someone not particularly into hip-hop who would benefit more from the springboard of something closer to a rock album than a hip-hop album.
i'd recommend a different major u2 album to a metallica fan than i would a kelly clarkson fan, as dan said.
let's assume i know what i'm saying sometimes
i think this is the main reason Kanye went down like a fart in an elevator... he didn't have the songs yet. Jay-Z definitely does.I would kill to hear this song in a stadium. Gold Digger just wasn't epic enough at the time.
but i think Atty Club is great, soBut it's awful. No different than recommending ATYCLB for its accessibility, tbh. "Accessibility" is also kind of a silly concept when discussing one of the biggest mainstream rappers of the past two decades.
Reasonable Doubt and Blueprint 1. If you don't like either, don't bother.
oh, it is? shit, i'd better stop enjoying it then.
i think this is the main reason Kanye went down like a fart in an elevator... he didn't have the songs yet.
But I love Empire State of Mind.
Oh, and I don't mean to say that I don't.
I am cap in hand my friend.
I don't think I ever said I don;t like him or his music (never really had an opinion before Monday night), but I just didn't tink he was right for U2
I don't feel like going to prove you wrong or anything, mostly because I'm lazy, but you weren't simply saying you didn't like his music. You were being overly dramatic, over the top, flat out hated the idea of it, and you were being a bit of, excuse the term, a dick.
Also, maybe this is the reason why people react so negatively to your posting.
I don't feel like going to prove you wrong or anything, mostly because I'm lazy, but you weren't simply saying you didn't like his music. You were being overly dramatic, over the top, flat out hated the idea of it, and you were being a bit of, excuse the term, a dick.
It was just something about the sound - with that dominant string section as well - didn't work. But he was really trying - all over the stage, really working the crowd. Not his fault at all.
It was mostly because Kanye's shortcomings seemed to be that the stadium setting wasn't suited to fast talking, and intricate layered beats. You missed all that, and he just seemed out of breathe and flat because of it. It wasn't his fault, it was mostly the sound system and the acoustic of the stadium.
Also, I bought that Jay-Z hits collection at Target last weekend. I'm disappointed it doesn't have that "Can I Get A ..." song on it (is that what it's called?). Not because it's like the pinnacle of his career or anything, but it's one of the few songs of his I'm familiar with.
But I love Empire State of Mind.
I have to strongly disagree with that. The two albums of material he had at his disposal on the Vertigo tour are still easily my two favorite Kanye albums. I saw him on one of his headlining shows in support of Late Registration, and he had plenty of songs.
They were obviously trying to do something a bit different. It was, I guess, not too long after he did the Orchestration thing, and they had a maybe eight person string section, and they re-arranged/re-worked the songs for that. And they didn't seem to get the sound for it right. You know if you turn a Treble Booster up too high on a cheap stereo or something, it all just gets sharp and thin? It sounded like that. My guess is they overcooked it trying to bring the strings to the front all around the stadium, trying to counter the natural dominance of the bass, and it had a similar effect.
So adjusted arrangements that just didn't take off in that setting (e.g a song like Touch the Sky - which would have gone down a treat if big and booming - the strings were prominent in playing the Curtis Mayfield sample, the actual brass sample quite quiet behind them) and that sharp/thin mix meant it was a nice try, but it just didn't come together well at all. Which was a shame. As I said, a full Kanye show is fucking fantastic and I was really looking forward to his support slots, and he was busting his gut up there to win the crowd over.
I was making a joke about how he has said multiple times in his lyrics that he made people millionaires.also, Philedelphia Phillies Supporter, you said in the Kanye thread something like "if we studied Jay-Z's lyrics we'd realise why there's an income gap in this country". i did not understand, please elaborate.
unless i missed a post somewhere, i don't really believe that describes dan's reaction all that adequately at all.
I still wouldn't rush out to buy his records, but I really enjoyed Jay-Z as the opening act, especially at my second U2 GA show. He's a fantastic, charismatic performer