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Old 12-17-2010, 03:28 AM   #31
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I still wouldn't rush out to buy his records, but I really enjoyed Jay-Z as the opening act, especially at my second U2 GA show. He's a fantastic, charismatic performer
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But it's awful. No different than recommending ATYCLB for its accessibility, tbh. "Accessibility" is also kind of a silly concept when discussing one of the biggest mainstream rappers of the past two decades.

Reasonable Doubt and Blueprint 1. If you don't like either, don't bother.
A) what een said
B) atyclb is a great recommendation to ween someone onto u2
C) not that mainstream in Oceania
D) like saying if u don't like TJT or AB, don't bother with u2. They didn't make 10 other great albums...
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considering who i was recommending it to, someone not particularly into hip-hop who would benefit more from the springboard of something closer to a rock album than a hip-hop album.

i'd recommend a different major u2 album to a metallica fan than i would a kelly clarkson fan, as dan said.

let's assume i know what i'm saying sometimes
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oh, it is? shit, i'd better stop enjoying it then.


Empire State Of Mind is one of my favorite of his songs.
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considering who i was recommending it to, someone not particularly into hip-hop who would benefit more from the springboard of something closer to a rock album than a hip-hop album.

i'd recommend a different major u2 album to a metallica fan than i would a kelly clarkson fan, as dan said.

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Dangerous assumption there een. People may start believing crazy things, like NZ can play cricket...
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I would kill to hear this song in a stadium. Gold Digger just wasn't epic enough at the time.
i think this is the main reason Kanye went down like a fart in an elevator... he didn't have the songs yet. Jay-Z definitely does.

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But it's awful. No different than recommending ATYCLB for its accessibility, tbh. "Accessibility" is also kind of a silly concept when discussing one of the biggest mainstream rappers of the past two decades.

Reasonable Doubt and Blueprint 1. If you don't like either, don't bother.
but i think Atty Club is great, so

but yeah, is the album i would recommend. "accessible", some big hits on it (Izzo, Girls) and good from start to finish. if you liked his live sets go my fav, .

his recent albums may not have set the critics alight but his live show is phenomenal.
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the black album's the one that really got me hooked.

jay-z is a great lyricist and a phenomenal, charismatic performer... i only wish u2 would have tabbed him for the meadowlands show instead of interpol
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I do agree that for whatever technical/acoustics/justabitflat reasons, Kanye wasn't that good on Vertigo. And I say that only in comparison to himself. I've seen his own show twice, and he's fucking outstanding. It was just something about the sound - with that dominant string section as well - didn't work. But he was really trying - all over the stage, really working the crowd. Not his fault at all.

I really like Jay-Z, both his music and him too - very smart/interesting/funny guy, but I don't think he'd be in my personal Top Whatever list of hip-hop artists.

The pairing with U2 makes a lot of sense. He kind of is the U2 of hip-hop.
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Kanye worked just fine in an arena, and he had the venue filled quicker and hopping higher than any of the other arena openers on the tour. It was a very good show.

Maybe his sound just wasn't big enough for the stadium setting yet back then. I think this most recent album would definitely work in a stadium, barring technical difficulties of course. If he had a full on band like Jay-Zs, that would also likely help.
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oh, it is? shit, i'd better stop enjoying it then.
Terrific. I'm glad you like it; that bodes well for other albums. I just hope you wouldn't recommend Human Touch to someone when Born To Run exists, or Down In The Groove over Highway 61 Revisited. The first Blueprint is comparable to either in the hip-hop community.

Also, ATYCLB is a crappy introduction to U2 for one main reason: why waste people's time with Grace, Wild Honey and Peace on Earth when nearly every song on Joshua Tree is a landmark?
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i think this is the main reason Kanye went down like a fart in an elevator... he didn't have the songs yet.
I have to strongly disagree with that. The two albums of material he had at his disposal on the Vertigo tour are still easily my two favorite Kanye albums. I saw him on one of his headlining shows in support of Late Registration, and he had plenty of songs.
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I was just going to say that. His set for me was all about Jesus Walks, which is a killer song.

Also, I bought that Jay-Z hits collection at Target last weekend. I'm disappointed it doesn't have that "Can I Get A ..." song on it (is that what it's called?). Not because it's like the pinnacle of his career or anything, but it's one of the few songs of his I'm familiar with.

But I love Empire State of Mind.
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They were obviously trying to do something a bit different. It was, I guess, not too long after he did the Orchestration thing, and they had a maybe eight person string section, and they re-arranged/re-worked the songs for that. And they didn't seem to get the sound for it right. You know if you turn a Treble Booster up too high on a cheap stereo or something, it all just gets sharp and thin? It sounded like that. My guess is they overcooked it trying to bring the strings to the front all around the stadium, trying to counter the natural dominance of the bass, and it had a similar effect.

So adjusted arrangements that just didn't take off in that setting (e.g a song like Touch the Sky - which would have gone down a treat if big and booming - the strings were prominent in playing the Curtis Mayfield sample, the actual brass sample quite quiet behind them) and that sharp/thin mix meant it was a nice try, but it just didn't come together well at all. Which was a shame. As I said, a full Kanye show is fucking fantastic and I was really looking forward to his support slots, and he was busting his gut up there to win the crowd over.
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