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Old 05-05-2014, 11:12 PM   #211
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Mmmhmm, I always defer to Cassie on these matters. Didn't mean to ride your back, iYup.

I was meant to be seeing Kanye West tonight.

Devil in a New Dress is now quite firmly my favourite Yeezy song. The guitar works, unlike on the track that follows, the sample is inspired, and the production as a whole is just so warm and fulfilling. Then you've got some of Kanye's most honest lyrics, and an absolutely stellar verse from Rick Ross, and you've got a 10.
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Old 05-05-2014, 11:23 PM   #212
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MBDTF is impeccable, really.

Finally heard the Jaylib project. I was disappointed. The production was solid, of course, but J Dilla and unaltered Madlib just aren't interesting enough MCs to carry an album by themselves. The generic rapping really dragged it down. I should check out the instrumentals sometime.
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"Award Tour" might be my favorite Tribe song, actually.

"Electric Relaxation" is a fucking classic, too.
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Gotta get that album. I just bought Peoples Instinctive Travels.

Excursions remains my favourite Tribe song for the time being. Q-Tip's opening verse is so good.
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I just bought Peoples Instinctive Travels.
This is really great, too. "Bonita Applebum" is the shit.
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The Award Tour reference in The Glory always gets me.
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Kendrick raps about Compton gangbanging, but in a detached, socially conscious way.
Going back a bit, but, yeah, I would never refer to him as socially conscious.
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Going back a bit, but, yeah, I would never refer to him as socially conscious.
Then you need to listen to Section.80. That album is about as proactive and socially aware as you can get without the rapper literally preaching at you. In fact, the skits basically do that.

GKMC is, itself, very much socially conscious in a sympathetic, realistic way. Rather than detail his spoils of war, he focuses on the damage the gang life causes to everyone involved, either directly or indirectly. Without the levity and descriptive anecdotes it wouldn't draw you in the way it does.
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Really? Even his biggest hit (Swimming Pools) is socially conscious, if you ask me.
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I don't think I use that phrase the way everyone else does. When I hear that an artist is socially conscious, I don't expect to hear a song about the excess of fame. I expect more along the lines of early Common, or Cunninlynguists
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Ohh okay I think I see what you mean. But I think you can be a socially conscious rapper and still rap about ridiculous shit. They aren't mutually exclusive. Sing About Me/Dying of Thirst and Backseat Freestyle appear on the same album.
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Sounds like I would be getting way in over my head if I got into this discussion too far with Cassie. I don't think the two sociolinguistics courses I've taken would be of much help.

Not that I disagree with her to any significant degree. I've spent the last five years trying to educate myself about the genre so that I could, in turn, represent it properly to people who still think it's all guns, cars and bitches (and place those subjects into a greater societal context because honestly I think they possess a certain cultural interest).

freal if you wanna read one of my favorite books on language in rap, check out h. samy alim's roc the mic right. it's super cheap on amazon for an academic text. http://www.amazon.com/Roc-Mic-Right-...9430399&sr=1-2

I'll also say that not only do guns, money, bitches have a certain cultural interest, but it's important to remember than guns and drugs etc are REALITY for many of these rappers, whether they've been involved or they've seen it or whatever. Yes, a lot of it is exaggerated, but a lot is not. That's what I'm getting at when I talk about marginalized voices and trying to police what they say so it's more palatable. I get it if that's not what someone wants to listen to, but don't try to get rid of it either.
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I don't think I use that phrase the way everyone else does. When I hear that an artist is socially conscious, I don't expect to hear a song about the excess of fame. I expect more along the lines of early Common, or Cunninlynguists
Kendrick doesn't rap about his fame at all though. He raps about being a broke underdog 9 times out of 10. Sounds more like you're describing Kanye (who is/was praised for his conscious raps), but he's definitely more self absorbed than anything these days. Kanye is an interesting guy though so it works.

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freal if you wanna read one of my favorite books on language in rap, check out h. samy alim's roc the mic right. it's super cheap on amazon for an academic text. http://www.amazon.com/Roc-Mic-Right-...9430399&sr=1-2

I'll also say that not only do guns, money, bitches have a certain cultural interest, but it's important to remember than guns and drugs etc are REALITY for many of these rappers, whether they've been involved or they've seen it or whatever. Yes, a lot of it is exaggerated, but a lot is not. That's what I'm getting at when I talk about marginalized voices and trying to police what they say so it's more palatable. I get it if that's not what someone wants to listen to, but don't try to get rid of it either.
I love that a book like this exists. I will definitely check it out.
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