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Old 05-30-2012, 09:52 AM   #691
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Having heard R.A.P. Music, I'll say it's definitely worth checking out. It may not have brought around completely to Killer Mike, who's style sounds more like 'browbeating' than 'rapping' (this comes to mind)


though the intensity is appreciated, in places. But the beats? Incredible. El-P does an even better job here than on his own album, which is pretty good as well. Between these two albums, El-P is 2012's rap MVP.
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I really don't care for El-P's production style It sounds incredibly synthetic and soulless to me, and I think it clashes with what Killer Mike is trying to do. I love his intensity, and El-P is off on some electroclash shit. More old school beats would suit his street poet style better. Bring the Bomb Squad in.

I've never liked El-P though. Fantastic Damage bores me. The only thing he's done that kicks ass is The Cold Vein, because that album was meant to be frigid and inhuman. It works like a charm there.
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I don't even know why you guys bother with this genre. It's all misogynistic crap, anyway.
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I really don't care for El-P's production style It sounds incredibly synthetic and soulless to me, and I think it clashes with what Killer Mike is trying to do. I love his intensity, and El-P is off on some electroclash shit. More old school beats would suit his street poet style better. Bring the Bomb Squad in.

I've never liked El-P though. Fantastic Damage bores me. The only thing he's done that kicks ass is The Cold Vein, because that album was meant to be frigid and inhuman. It works like a charm there.
Funny, because his production reminds me of the Bomb Squad, in terms of the density and layers of abrasive sound.

A good example of why I think it works is the lead track. Killer Mike, T.I. and Bun B all turn in great verses that seem perfect for a typical booming Southern rap beat. But El-P turns it into something else entirely.
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Yeah, Bomb Squad's production is a lot like El-P's, but it feels more organic to me, in that it tends to utilize found sounds over electronic ones. Kind of going for the same thing, but in a different way.
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Madvillainy.

I found it pretty inaccessible. Kind of a frustrating listen with all the sampling, instrumentals, shorter tracks. MF DOOM isn't high up on my list of favourite MCs. Production not quite what I hoped.

 
This, of course, is based on one listen. I'm sure I'll come around.
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It's a little fucked up, yeah, but Accordion, Bistro, Fancy Clown and All Caps are all among the best hip-hop tracks ever and there's literally nothing else out there like any of it. Believe me, I've heard a lot of abstract hip-hop, and never has a hip-hop album come so close to feeling like a dream. Especially the first time you hear the album, it's almost impossible to process what's happening. It's not so much that there aren't any hooks or great melodies (there are loads of them, and you find more as you listen further), but the way the songs are structured prevents you from ever getting a proper rhythm. At first, this is kind of frustrating, because your expectations always go back to intro-verse-chorus-verse-chorus-NEXT SONG-intro-verse-etc. but Madvillainy doesn't give you that. You can't tell where the next song even starts, most of the time.

Best way to listen to Madvillainy is in the dark, with headphones, just like most good music. It's an adventure, something really special and exciting that smashes convention. MF Doom is easily one of the best pure MCs around, because he throws around these dense volleys of wordplay and metaphor without breaking a sweat. He always sounds like he's in his element, no matter how complex the ideas. Seriously, break out the lyric sheet and be amazed by some of that shit. I find a great new use of language each time I hear it, even after 30+ listens.

Easy 5/5 for me, and probably my...4th favorite hip-hop album ever. If I ever made a hip-hop album, I would not necessarily want it to sound like Madvillainy, but I would want it to be just as brave and creative. It, to me, is every bit as innovative as Endtroducing, only it has the added bonus of great lyrics.
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If I get a chance tonight I'll make a drink, whip out my Beats and the lyric sheet and give it another spin.

I was reading it actually sold reasonably well too, which is great, because there is literally not one song on it that I thought "well, that could be a good single".
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Wow, rateyourmusic has it at #8 for hip-hop in general and #191 overall. That's crazy. Awesome, but crazy. I don't know when it happened, but it's absolutely a hip-hop touchstone now. Maybe the day that this happened:

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Hip-hop covers don't happen often, but when they do, it's an incredible sign of respect. Great MC, great song choice.

Givin' y'all nothing but the lick like two broads
Got more lyrics than the church got 'Ooh Lords'
And he hold the mic and your attention like two swords
Or even one with two blades on it
Hey you, don't touch the mic like it's AIDS on it
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Curren$y Thats the Thing ft Estelle w/ download link - YouTube

I wish I lived in a world where this could be a huge single, but I'm not even sure it's going to be released in that capacity. Air-tight hit right here, and the album is dope.

Kanye and Curren$y are favorite acts in hip-hop at the moment.
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While Madvillainy is great, for me the Quasimodo albums are among the greatest hiphop albums ever. True Madlib genius.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who's struggled with Madvillainy. I can't actually seem to finish the album, despite the times I've tried.
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It's a brilliant title though.
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