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Old 02-15-2009, 02:44 PM   #286
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So you didn't know whether you were going to get legal or illegal material sent? In that case you should have refrained from participating, if you wanted to remain pure.

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"Get On Your Boots" E-mail Request Thread...
With many of us at work durring the day and unable to neccesarily be checking the forums every 5 minutes...

.. and with a new U2 single ready to drop, well, any minute now really...


We obviously know the rules against posting links to mp 3's on the site... it's illegal, don't do it... but we've always had our e-mail requests for mp 3's and links to the file, etc. etc.

So put your e-mail address down... and when the big one does hit even those of us who are stuck in a meeting or unable to get to Interference can share in the news, and share in the tune as well.
Sounds to me like it could be any quality from any source.
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Although Scumby and I don't always see eye to eye on the file sharing thing (I am getting better about it, if he's wondering) it's ridiculous for you to call into question his commitment to his convictions on the subject.
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You've gotta be joking, it was a rip from the first play of one song on a fucking radio show. IE, the shittiest quality ever. Seriously, you are grasping for straws, and I know you're smart enough to know the difference between listening to one song that was played on the radio and stealing a CD quality rip of an entire album. And if you want to get really technical, I deleted the email the second I received it, as I had already purchased the song on iTunes.

To get even more technical, I've purchased the physical single as well, and it's presently on the way from another continent as I had import it.

Sorry, mate. I see no more justification for your "technicalities" as there are for mine. You deleted the song because you'd already bought it from itunes? Yet it's not okay when I do the same. So my first listen isn't from the version I bought, the end result is the same. As I said, I download and listen; if I like it, I buy it; if I don't, I delete it. I've either bought the album or I've deleted it.

It's all bullshit. Everyone has their own level of justification. You say it's only one song, so that's somehow better than 10 songs. Right. You say it's radio quality, so it's okay. Well, unless someone downloads wav files, it ain't CD quality. You can say 128 is loads better than radio quality, yet I may say differently (especially if that radio clip was recorded from a radio stream on a computer). And as was noted a few posts up, there was no indication at all in that thread that it was going to be a radio clip. In fact, the file that was emailed was CD quality--as most of the people expected. You say it's okay that you asked for the file because you ultimately bought it before the email arrived. Yet isn't the fault in asking for it in the first place? If not, is it really such a sin to listen to the file, then buy it, then delete it? Others in this thread say it might be okay because 1). the single wouldn't be available in this country, or 2). we didn't know a free stream would be available. Do those reasons really make it okay? Everyone apparently has different reasoning. You buy your reasoning, I buy mine, they buy theirs. Bark at the ones who keep the files and never buy a track.

Everyone needs to ask themselves a few questions before they get all high and mighty. Do you have any of the U2 beach clips? Do you own the Salome Outtakes? Do you have any of the "leaked" clips or videos---of any quality whatsoever? Is every single b-side, extra track, or side project track that you own originally from a disc or vinyl that you owned first and then ripped yourself? Do you have any music videos of any band on your computer? Have you recorded any tv show (even the news) onto vhs or dvd or hard drive without asking permission of the producers? Have you recorded any movies onto vhs/dvd/hard drive, even if you recorded it from TV? Do you own any bootleg concert CDs or dvds (the concert was commercially available in form of tickets, you just chose not to go; listening to/watching the bootleg is enjoying the artist's material without rewarding the artist)? Have you watched clips of any tv shows, movies, concerts, music videos on YouTube that were not uploaded by the artist or representing company (there's absolutely no difference between owning a file and watching it a dozen times versus watching it a dozen times and not owning it, if you don't spread the file)? Do you have any photocopies of books, textbooks or otherwise, that were not provided to you by an educator and that you did not ask the publisher or author for permission to copy?

If you can answer "no" to every single one of those questions (and I'm sure that some can), then enter this discussion. If you can't, then give me a fucking break. For every single question, an argument can be made that you're ripping off the artist---without grasping for straws. Don't give me that crap.

I'm not trying to make anyone out to be bad. I'm just tired of essentially being labeled 'bad' for doing something that has the same end result as what many here do themselves. You can't seriously slam my own reasoning for doing what I did with the Fleet Foxes disc and then expect me to buy into your own lame reasoning about the GOYB track. There's seriously no fucking difference. If I were to download the album and then never buy it, or if I were to seed the files elsewhere, then that's an issue. But as it is, lay the fuck off.
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Everyone needs to ask themselves a few questions before they get all high and mighty. Do you have any of the U2 beach clips? Do you own the Salome Outtakes? Do you have any of the "leaked" clips or videos---of any quality whatsoever? Is every single b-side, extra track, or side project track that you own originally from a disc or vinyl that you owned first and then ripped yourself? Do you have any music videos of any band on your computer? Have you recorded any tv show (even the news) onto vhs or dvd or hard drive without asking permission of the producers? Have you recorded any movies onto vhs/dvd/hard drive, even if you recorded it from TV? Do you own any bootleg concert CDs or dvds (the concert was commercially available in form of tickets, you just chose not to go; listening to/watching the bootleg is enjoying the artist's material without rewarding the artist)? Have you watched clips of any tv shows, movies, concerts, music videos on YouTube that were not uploaded by the artist or representing company (there's absolutely no difference between owning a file and watching it a dozen times versus watching it a dozen times and not owning it, if you don't spread the file)? Do you have any photocopies of books, textbooks or otherwise, that were not provided to you by an educator and that you did not ask the publisher or author for permission to copy?

If you can answer "no" to every single one of those questions (and I'm sure that some can), then enter this discussion.
Haha very good points!
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Sorry, mate. I see no more justification for your "technicalities" as there are for mine. You deleted the song because you'd already bought it from itunes? Yet it's not okay when I do the same. So my first listen isn't from the version I bought, the end result is the same. As I said, I download and listen; if I like it, I buy it; if I don't, I delete it. I've either bought the album or I've deleted it.

It's all bullshit. Everyone has their own level of justification. You say it's only one song, so that's somehow better than 10 songs. Right. You say it's radio quality, so it's okay. Well, unless someone downloads wav files, it ain't CD quality. You can say 128 is loads better than radio quality, yet I may say differently (especially if that radio clip was recorded from a radio stream on a computer). And as was noted a few posts up, there was no indication at all in that thread that it was going to be a radio clip. In fact, the file that was emailed was CD quality--as most of the people expected. You say it's okay that you asked for the file because you ultimately bought it before the email arrived. Yet isn't the fault in asking for it in the first place? If not, is it really such a sin to listen to the file, then buy it, then delete it? Others in this thread say it might be okay because 1). the single wouldn't be available in this country, or 2). we didn't know a free stream would be available. Do those reasons really make it okay? Everyone apparently has different reasoning. You buy your reasoning, I buy mine, they buy theirs. Bark at the ones who keep the files and never buy a track.

Everyone needs to ask themselves a few questions before they get all high and mighty. Do you have any of the U2 beach clips? Do you own the Salome Outtakes? Do you have any of the "leaked" clips or videos---of any quality whatsoever? Is every single b-side, extra track, or side project track that you own originally from a disc or vinyl that you owned first and then ripped yourself? Do you have any music videos of any band on your computer? Have you recorded any tv show (even the news) onto vhs or dvd or hard drive without asking permission of the producers? Have you recorded any movies onto vhs/dvd/hard drive, even if you recorded it from TV? Do you own any bootleg concert CDs or dvds (the concert was commercially available in form of tickets, you just chose not to go; listening to/watching the bootleg is enjoying the artist's material without rewarding the artist)? Have you watched clips of any tv shows, movies, concerts, music videos on YouTube that were not uploaded by the artist or representing company (there's absolutely no difference between owning a file and watching it a dozen times versus watching it a dozen times and not owning it, if you don't spread the file)? Do you have any photocopies of books, textbooks or otherwise, that were not provided to you by an educator and that you did not ask the publisher or author for permission to copy?

If you can answer "no" to every single one of those questions (and I'm sure that some can), then enter this discussion. If you can't, then give me a fucking break. For every single question, an argument can be made that you're ripping off the artist---without grasping for straws. Don't give me that crap.

I'm not trying to make anyone out to be bad. I'm just tired of essentially being labeled 'bad' for doing something that has the same end result as what many here do themselves. You can't seriously slam my own reasoning for doing what I did with the Fleet Foxes disc and then expect me to buy into your own lame reasoning about the GOYB track. There's seriously no fucking difference. If I were to download the album and then never buy it, or if I were to seed the files elsewhere, then that's an issue. But as it is, lay the fuck off.
There's a huge difference between downloading an album to "test it out" and see if it's worth it to buy and downloading a radio rip of something you are 100% certain you're going to purchase anyway. Not just a small difference, a huge one.
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Old 02-15-2009, 05:43 PM   #291
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Could you elaborate?
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Well, I'm glad we've had this discussion, as I will never download a radio rip of the debut of a song again. And that's not sarcasm, I really won't. Lucky for me, I never actually listened to this radio rip in question, and deleted the email without ever opening opening it.

Back on topic, if you didn't see the link when Pitchfork debuted the video, Sub Pop has finally posted the official video for Mykonos on your Youtube page:

YouTube - Fleet Foxes - Mykonos
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There's a huge difference between downloading an album to "test it out" and see if it's worth it to buy and downloading a radio rip of something you are 100% certain you're going to purchase anyway. Not just a small difference, a huge one.
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Well, I'm glad we've had this discussion, as I will never download a radio rip of the debut of a song again. And that's not sarcasm, I really won't. Lucky for me, I never actually listened to this radio rip in question, and deleted the email without ever opening opening it.

Back on topic, if you didn't see the link when Pitchfork debuted the video, Sub Pop has finally posted the official video for Mykonos on your Youtube page:

YouTube - Fleet Foxes - Mykonos
Thanks for posting....I liked the video, and, god, that song is awesomeness.
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Thanks for posting....I liked the video, and, god, that song is awesomeness.
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Dude, you have no idea how much 360 I did today. You never logged on.
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Speaking of 360, it won't fucking connect to the Internet for some reason. This is incredibly bothersome.
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Speaking of 360, it won't fucking connect to the Internet for some reason. This is incredibly bothersome.
Imperor says that since you are about to join the interference chainsaw rape gang, that he might as well,too.
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Speaking of 360, it won't fucking connect to the Internet for some reason. This is incredibly bothersome.
I was having connection issues on Live through out the day, actually, Kicked me and my friend out of a couple games, we finally gave up. You may just be experiencing some of that.
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Imperor says that since you are about to join the interference chainsaw rape gang, that he might as well,too.
Yeah, we talked about that last night via Live. We also talked about how you sound like a cartoon character.

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I was having connection issues on Live through out the day, actually, Kicked me and my friend out of a couple games, we finally gave up. You may just be experiencing some of that.
I hope so. I couldn't get Internet connection before it got to the Live section on the Network config, and I didn't change anything. I'll try again tomorrow and see what happens.
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