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iron yuppie said:
Does it matter at all that Destroyer is substantially better than the Pornographers?

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This is a really weird opinion, particularly from you.

He should at least be obsessed with Myriad Harbour or something. It's more popular than any Destroyer song, for fuck's sake.
 
Destroyer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The New Pornographers

I listened to Twin Cinema a couple of times and it didn't do much for me. It was just decent. Show me a song that's half as good as Rubies, Bay of Pigs, Kaputt, European Oils, The Bad Arts... and I might reconsider.
 
The aforementioned Myriad Harbour is a Bejar song, I personally prefer it to everything he's ever done in Destroyer.

A few other Bejar NP songs to check out (you guys should at least like these, for heaven's sake): Jackie, Testament to Youth In Verse, Jackie's Dressed in Cobras, Silver Jenny Dollar, Broken Beads, Streets on Fire, If You Can't See My Mirrors, Daughter of Sorrow.

Outside of all of this, if you don't recognize Sing Me Spanish Techno as one of the most enjoyable indie pop songs of the last decade, may Hades bring everlasting torment to your souls.
 
I understand the appeal of New Pornographers. For me, though, it comes down to NP being fairly straight-forward indie rock, whereas each Destroyer album I have heard has had a unique aesthetic or an interesting, off-kilter take on the genre. Destroyer has far more replay value in that regard.
 
Myriad Harbour is a good song. :up: Bejar's songs tend to be my favorite NP songs. Silver Jenny Dollar is the best I've heard so far.

But I still like his solo stuff more.
 
nielsgov said:
Show me a song that's half as good as Rubies, Bay of Pigs, Kaputt, European Oils, The Bad Arts... and I might reconsider.
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Well, I mean, how do you judge a "good song?" Personally, I think the songwriting is much better on the first few Pornos albums than most Destroyer stuff. Listen to them all in a row and you have two straight hours of masterful power pop. Destroyer songs break the pop mold in half, but that doesn't mean they're inherently superior, just different.

Again, the two acts don't have very much in common.
 
I can't tell if you're actually annoyed or just fucking with me mofo... either way I don't mind in the slightest.

Myriad Harbour is a great song (cool video too) but there's at least 10 or so Destroyer songs I'll take over that (Niels we pretty much have the same favourite songs). I'm surprised you think it's better than anything Destroyer has done considering how effusive you have been in your love for European Oils, and how you can never listen to Painter in My Pocket without it.

Sing Me Spanish Techno is pretty great. Jackie Dressed in Cobras is enjoyable as well. Silver Jenny Dollar as well, that's on Together.

Just more of a Destroyer fan :shrug: don't let run your blood pressure too high, my friends.
 
I'm once again just expressing my bafflement that you haven't heard one of the greatest albums of the 00's, that's all.
 
Initial critical response to Twin Cinema was very positive. At Metacritic (which assigns to reviews from mainstream critics a normalized rating out of 100), the album has received a score of 85, based on 32 reviews. Online music magazine PopMatters ranked the album at #1 on their Best Music of 2005 list. Pitchfork Media placed Twin Cinema at number 150 on their list of top 200 albums of the 2000s.

Christgau didn't much care for it though, so I'm not sure you should bother.
 
cobl04 said:
I can't tell if you're actually annoyed or just fucking with me mofo... either way I don't mind in the slightest.
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Not annoyed at all, just trying to get you to listen to them through whatever means necessary! For me, I probably never would have paid any attention to Destroyer had it not been for New Pornographers, so I don't really see them as different from each other as some of you do. I'd always liked Bejar's NP songs, I picked up Rubies entirely based on that. I find both groups extremely enjoyable, and just want to share the enjoyment.

Regardless if you aren't a big fan or not, you really should see New Pornographers live if they ever tour near you. They're great. Bejar's NP songs are awesome live as well. The crowd usually goes nuts over a combo of his voice, looks, and actions (he usually sits his guitar down and holds / drinks a beer while singing).
 
Bejar is so much fun to watch live. He doesn't do anything really, he just stands there holding a beer and not giving a fuck.
 
Listening to The Laziest River on our first rainy day in months. Really helping my mood, as I'm soaked and gonna be very late for work.

Kaputt is a great wet weather album.
 
I'd rate my top 3 exactly like you. I've always liked Trouble in Dreams quite a bit, I know many seemed disappointed in it when it came out.
 
Fun. I'll do my ranking them before I read the link. In a minute, off the top of my head, top to bottom...

Rubies
Trouble in Dreams
Kaputt
Streethawk
This Night
Thief
Notorious Lightning...
Your Blues
City of Daughters
 
So, that article is pretty effusive in its praise of Mr. Bejar. If the writer came close to pointing out any flaws, I missed 'em. Anyway, this portion piqued my attention:

"Further complicating the issue is Bejar’s own preoccupation with the literal mention of popular music in his lyrics — he is constantly prone to digressions about and quotations from other songwriters. Listening to his records can occasionally feel like paging through a particularly bright and highly peculiar ’80s ‘zine."

I'll admit, I don't pore over the lyrics. But I'd be interested in how many quotes or references we could assemble. I'll start with an obvious one of a couple I know of:

"Have I told you lately that I love you" - A Dangerous Woman Up To A Point

Which is an awesome song even without the Lionel reference. Your go, Cobbler. Or whoever. :D
 
No I don't think a single flaw was picked out. I enjoyed reading because I've fallen in love with Bejar/the band, so it's nice to read someone else who loves them like I do (there's a massive post on Rubies in my blog, link in my sig, if anyone's interested).

I wouldn't say I study his lyrics but I do pore over them a bit, I just find them so interesting, nonsensical and pretty damn funny at times. I had actually never heard of the Bay of Pigs thing until that song came out.

In terms of some references, a few of my favourites off the top of my head...

"Those who love Zeppelin will soon betray Floyd / I cast off those couplets in honour of the void" (comes right after the line you quoted) Dangerous Woman Up to a Point

"Your first love's New Order / Mother Nature's Son" - Blue Eyes

"I'll go into the heart of the sun / we have set the controls for one" - To the Heart of the Sun...

And then you've got the songs that don't explicitly reference other artists, but sounds like them. Shooting Rockets is positively Floydian, Looters' Follies is the greatest Bowie song the man himself didn't write, The Bad Arts reminds of Memory of a Free Festival.
 
That's a great article. I agree with most things said.

I mostly miss all the references though.
 
You're excited about that, but won't listen to New Pornographers? Ima slap you in the mouth.
 
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