Coldplay - Viva La Vida - ongoing discussion

[LemonMelon]

He isn't in the same ballpark as Kate Bush, Roger Waters, Sting, Tori Amos, Peter Gabriel and the list goes on and on.

This won't end well.

 

[Zoots]

What the fuck has Chris Martin done that even comes close to matching that in his first 8 years? Furthermore, what has Chris Martin done that even matches a modern classic like Beautiful Day, a song supposedly written after Bono's peak as a lyricist? Come on. He's not that good. Don't compare the two.

Agreed! Boy thru R&H is good enough to be a band's entire discography IMO!

And let's face it, guys... Coldplay's strength is in melodies, not lyrics!

 

[LemonMelon]

Glad you agree. Now let's get GG on board.

 

[Zoots]

Did Screwtape just open another can of worms?

 

[Screwtape2]

I don't hear that. I mean, there's a slight resemblance in the riff in PID's chorus, and I suppose they're somewhat stylistically similar, but I don't see where they sound 'an awful lot' alike.

They completely stole the riff.

 

[lazarus]

lazarus, why do you insist on posting so many reviews for ammunition? Unlike you, GG never relies on the words of others to validate her opinions.

Because she seems to think the multitudes of people who found LIT reminiscent of Streets are crazy, and I was attempting to show that members of the mainstream media didn't agree with her.

I gots plenty of mah own werds.

 

[GibsonGirl]

Glad you agree. Now let's get GG on board.

I'm confident enough with my own opinions, thanks.

 

[VintagePunk]

Did Screwtape just open another can of worms?

Shall we bother taking a look at Sting's lyric sheet, hmm?

 

[lazarus]

He isn't in the same ballpark as Kate Bush, Roger Waters, Sting, Tori Amos, Peter Gabriel and the list goes on and on.

Did $omeone $ay $ting?

 

[LemonMelon]

They completely stole the riff.

BTW, Sting >>>>>>>>>>> Bono cracked me up.

 

[Zoots]

We share the same biology regardless of idiology
And what will save us me and you
I hope the Russians love their children too

 

[lazarus]

This debate has been going on about as long as one of $ting's tantric sex sessions.

 

[GibsonGirl]

Because she seems to think the multitudes of people who found LIT reminiscent of Streets are crazy, and I was attempting to show that members of the mainstream media didn't agree with her.

I gots plenty of mah own werds.

Uh, no.

I got frustrated with Rob (once!) because he implied that Streets and LIT shared the same chord progression. And then I got frustrated with someone else who said that I was right, but that I should be able to recognise an "Edge-chord"! I disagreed with two people on purely musical terms. When did I ever use the term "crazy"? Stop twisting my words.

 

[Zoots]

This debate has been going on about as long as one of $ting's tantric sex sessions.

You mistook his yoga session for a tantric sex session.

 

[LemonMelon]

I just listened to Panic In Detroit and HMTMKMKM.

Having played both riffs myself on guitar, I know for a fact that they're not the same. Similar-ish. Kind of. Maybe. Bowie's riff is slower and involves fewer chord changes.

 

[angelordevil]

And let's face it, guys... Coldplay's strength is in melodies, not lyrics!

I agree with this completely. Chris Martin knows that he's not a great writer...at least he's honest about his limitations: move ahead to about 8:08 of this interview, which is pretty revealing. Coldplay's Chris Martin on The Hour with George Stroumboulopoulos

 

[phillyfan26]

They completely stole the riff.

Because it's power chords? False.

Panic in Detroit is Bm-G-A.

HMTMKMKM is E-D-B-G.

Panic in Detroit's melody is totally different. PID's drums are totally different.

 

[phillyfan26]

He isn't in the same ballpark as Kate Bush, Roger Waters, Sting, Tori Amos, Peter Gabriel and the list goes on and on.

The only person I see on there comparable to Bono is Waters. And I prefer Bono's lyrics to Waters' lyrics. Waters' lyrics are too impersonal in most PF albums, IMO.

The Sting comparison is laughable at best.

 

[GibsonGirl]

I feel like I'm exceeding my carbon footprint by adding anything else, but here goes! This album is like a sandwich from a store I was never really fond of before. Only this time, they’ve added a few new things to finally make a sandwich that's worth eating. There are ingredients that are found in other things I like: A bit of Arcade Fire meat, Bunnymen mustard, early U2 atmospheric sesame seeds. The overall impression is that it's tasty, and that it's at least a sincere, heartfelt effort to create something good. I appreciate that. The sandwich maker will probably never have his/her own cooking show, or crack the Sandwich Hall of Fame. We both know this, but it's okay.

Liking said sandwich, and the way it goes down, is a personal choice.

If you stand in front of the sandwich display, and mumble about why you don’t like the one I just bought, I’ll probably think that you need some help.

That is an extremely fitting analogy. Unfortunately, I think it's falling on deaf ears...er, dead tastebuds. Oh well. I'm enjoying that sandwich right now. It's not the best sandwich I've ever had, not even by a long shot, but it's certainly not the worst.

 

[LemonMelon]

Because it's power chords? False.

Panic in Detroit is Bm-G-A.

HMTMKMKM is E-D-B-G.

Panic in Detroit's melody is totally different. PID's drums are totally different.

Pwned.

HMTMKMKM is in E, while Panic is in B.

HMTMKMKM is faster, and Panic is slower.

 

[phillyfan26]

The biggest Bowie influence on U2 was the mullet.

 

[GibsonGirl]

Because it's power chords? False.

Panic in Detroit is Bm-G-A.

HMTMKMKM is E-D-B-G.

Panic in Detroit's melody is totally different. PID's drums are totally different.

There you go.

Now you know why I felt the need to counter the claim that Streets and LIT used the same chord progression.

 

[phillyfan26]

Shall we bother taking a look at Sting's lyric sheet, hmm?

Don't Stand So Close to Me: Rhyming cough with some Russian guy's name?

 

[angelordevil]

That is an extremely fitting analogy. Unfortunately, I think it's falling on deaf ears...er, dead tastebuds. Oh well. I'm enjoying that sandwich right now. It's not the best sandwich I've ever had, not even by a long shot, but it's certainly not the worst.

You're eating my sandwich?

 

[Screwtape2]

The only person I see on there comparable to Bono is Waters. And I prefer Bono's lyrics to Waters' lyrics. Waters' lyrics are too impersonal in most PF albums, IMO.

The Sting comparison is laughable at best.

You are very misguided if you believe Bono is a better lyricist than the ones I have listed. Besides you have a very limited view of the musical landscape.

Sting is a brilliant lyricist and you are crazy if you don't realize that.

 

[Screwtape2]

Don't Stand So Close to Me: Rhyming cough with some Russian guy's name?

That's a brilliant rhyme.

 

[lazarus]

The only person I see on there comparable to Bono is Waters. And I prefer Bono's lyrics to Waters' lyrics. Waters' lyrics are too impersonal in most PF albums, IMO.

The Sting comparison is laughable at best.

Aren't The Wall and The Final Cut very autobiographical?

There you go.

Now you know why I felt the need to counter the claim that Streets and LIT used the same chord progression.

Except Panic in Detroit isn't as well known as Streets, U2 didn't hire Mick Ronson or some glam figure to produce the song, and it was for a soundtrack, not for the lead track on an album that's supposed to usher in a new era of development.

 

[phillyfan26]

I'm familiar with The Police AND Sting's solo work. Sting's a very inconsistent lyricist.

I find it hilarious that you've resorted to namecalling, Screwy.

 

[phillyfan26]

That's a brilliant rhyme.

That's the exact thing I was thinking, except the opposite.

It's beyond forced.

 

[Screwtape2]

I'm familiar with The Police AND Sting's solo work. Sting's a very inconsistent lyricist.

I find it hilarious that you've resorted to namecalling, Screwy.

I'm not calling you names. I don't know where you are getting that. Sting is actually pretty consistent once you hit Ghost In The Machine.