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Old 06-26-2008, 07:23 PM   #331
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Aren't The Wall and The Final Cut very autobiographical?
Yes and no. It's all down to opinions now. I'm not a big fan of The Wall, structurally or lyrically.
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Don't Stand So Close to Me: Rhyming cough with some Russian guy's name?
It's Na-boh-kov. Um, Sting, it's not cool to change people's names to suit your rhymes.

And that doesn't even take into account that Police classic De Doo Doo Doo-whatever. Yeah, Sting is one of the worst examples to hold up in comparison. He's had more than his share of clunkers.


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That's a brilliant rhyme.

Uh, no, it's not. It's just plain wrong.
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Except Panic in Detroit isn't as well known as Streets, U2 didn't hire Mick Ronson or some glam figure to produce the song, and it was for a soundtrack, not for the lead track on an album that's supposed to usher in a new era of development.
Oh, right then. It's okay if people wrongfully accuse Coldplay of copying a U2 chord progression, but it's not okay if people wrongfully accuse U2 of copying a David Bowie riff. Glad we cleared that up.
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You are very misguided if you believe Bono is a better lyricist than the ones I have listed. Besides you have a very limited view of the musical landscape.

Sting is a brilliant lyricist and you are crazy if you don't realize that.
I'll give you Waters and Gabriel; both are known for their lyrics and conceptual contributions more than anything else.

$ting is a former teacher and certainly has a good grasp of the English language, but he's often extremely pretentious. While Bono may not have the as big a thesaurus, he's often able to cut to the heart (no pun intended) of something with a very simple and insightful metaphor.

I'd put Bono's best lines up there with anything by Marathon Man. I've never seen anything from $ting along the lines of Lemon, for example.
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I'm not calling you names. I don't know where you are getting that.
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Yes and no. It's all down to opinions now. I'm not a big fan of The Wall, structurally or lyrically.
It's an opinion whether or not it's autobiographical and personal? I'm not a big fan of the album either, just the writing.

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Oh, right then. It's okay if people wrongfully accuse Coldplay of copying a U2 chord progression, but it's not okay if people wrongfully accuse U2 of copying a David Bowie riff. Glad we cleared that up.
Only ONE person mentioned a similarity there. Did ANYONE agree?

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Neither do I.
Those aren't really "names", to be fair.
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Yup. They were a substitute for therapy in working out his longstanding daddy issues.

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I'll give you Waters and Gabriel; both are known for their lyrics and conceptual contributions more than anything else.

$ting is a former teacher and certainly has a good grasp of the English language, but he's often extremely pretentious. While Bono may not have the as big a thesaurus, he's often able to cut to the heart (no pun intended) of something with a very simple and insightful metaphor.

I'd put Bono's best lines up there with anything by Marathon Man. I've never seen anything from $ting along the lines of Lemon, for example.
How is Sting pretenious lyrically? Fragile, Be Still My Beating Heart, The Lazarus Heart and They Dance Alone are all better than anything Bono did post Rattle & Hum. By the way those are all from a single album.
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This wins the award for "Best Thread of the Day"

My favorite moment was when, for about half a page, the topic of Gilmore Girls was raised.

GILMORE GIRLS. The WB dramedy starring Lauren Graham and Alexis Bledel...was discussed in a Coldplay thread on a U2 forum. Gilmore Girls!!!

Seriously.

How cool is that?
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Neither do I.
You don't know a whole lot of artists and are just now starting to get introduced to better musicians and lyricists. That's all I am saying.
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Lyrics are paramount for me, or at least a huge part of the equation. Atmospherics, piano, melody...it's obvious that Coldplay are relying on those elements, but there's a growth on this album that goes a bit beyond that. If they want to continue to evolve, they'll obviously have to continue the lyrical progression.
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Only ONE person mentioned a similarity there. Did ANYONE agree?
No, he did not mention a "similarity." I believe he said "stole the riff," which is the same as saying that LIT and Streets have the same progression. If you believe that Coldplay borrowed the chords from Streets, you are wrong. Simple as that.
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No, he did not mention a "similarity." I believe he said "stole the riff," which is the same as saying that LIT and Streets have the same progression. If you believe that Coldplay borrowed the chords from Streets, you are wrong. Simple as that.
I mean I feel they are similar. I just said they stole the riff because they sound exactly alike. I am not a musician so yeah I was wrong. Just to throw that out there.
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How is Sting pretenious lyrically? Fragile, Be Still My Beating Heart, The Lazarus Heart and They Dance Alone are all better than anything Bono did post Rattle & Hum. By the way those are all from a single album.
His material just seems a bit stuffy and scholarly at times. It's a bit much. As for one of your examples:

"I sink like a stone that's been thrown in the ocean
My logic has drowned in a sea of emotion
Stop before you start
Be still my beating heart

Restore my broken dreams
Shattered like a falling glass
I'm not ready to be broken just yet
A lesson once learned is so hard to forget"

Umm...no.

The Lazarus don't Heart $ting.
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