Class Action Lawsuit Launched Against Ticketmaster in Ontario - Are You Eligible? - Page 2 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Lemonade Stand > Just the Bang and the Clatter
Click Here to Login
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 02-10-2009, 05:37 PM   #16
Blue Crack Addict
 
MissVelvetDress_75's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: basking in my post-concert glow still mesmerized by the orbit of his hips..Also Holding Bono Close as he requested.
Posts: 25,776
Local Time: 02:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalton View Post
That would suck for Canada cause there are only 6-7 (depending on whether or not you count Jerome Ignla) black people in all of the frozen Tundra.
*rim shot*
__________________

__________________
MissVelvetDress_75 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 05:39 PM   #17
Blue Crack Addict
 
Dalton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Little hand says it's time to rock and roll.
Posts: 15,147
Local Time: 03:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MissVelvetDress_75 View Post
*rim shot*
I'll bite the belt, but I am not doing that. Sabbath or no.
__________________

__________________
Dalton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 05:40 PM   #18
Blue Crack Distributor
 
VintagePunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: In a dry and waterless place
Posts: 55,732
Local Time: 02:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalton View Post
That would suck for Canada cause there are only 6-7 (depending on whether or not you count Jerome Ignla) black people in all of the frozen Tundra.
And they don't even talk to animals.
__________________
VintagePunk is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 05:43 PM   #19
Blue Crack Addict
 
Dalton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Little hand says it's time to rock and roll.
Posts: 15,147
Local Time: 03:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VintagePunk View Post
And they don't even talk to animals.
That's probably why Whitey tried to enslave them and not us. You're just not going to fuck with a person if you think Brother Bear is going to get involved.
__________________
Dalton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 06:06 PM   #20
Blue Crack Addict
 
anitram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: NY
Posts: 16,290
Local Time: 02:51 PM
It sounds like a weak case to me. I've also never heard of the firm or the lawyer, and class action firms are a bit notorious and a few in TO handle the bulk of these sorts of suits. The scope of the suit coupled with the small firm size sounds a bit eyebrow-raising right off the bat.

I'd have to take a look at the statute, but it's possible some provision was violated on this one occasion (or two). That doesn't necessarily establish the sort of pattern that is implied by this suit.

There is also the issue of class action suits themselves. They've fallen on some hard times since the Danier Leather decision by the SCC where the court refused to exercise the discretion in spreading the costs among the claimants. So the guy who brought the suit here is either really PO'd or he thinks he's got a great chance of winning or he's broke and doesn't care, because there is precedent for him to get slapped with some ugly costs.
__________________
anitram is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 06:17 PM   #21
Blue Crack Distributor
 
VintagePunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: In a dry and waterless place
Posts: 55,732
Local Time: 02:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by anitram View Post
It sounds like a weak case to me. I've also never heard of the firm or the lawyer, and class action firms are a bit notorious and a few in TO handle the bulk of these sorts of suits. The scope of the suit coupled with the small firm size sounds a bit eyebrow-raising right off the bat.

I'd have to take a look at the statute, but it's possible some provision was violated on this one occasion (or two). That doesn't necessarily establish the sort of pattern that is implied by this suit.

There is also the issue of class action suits themselves. They've fallen on some hard times since the Danier Leather decision by the SCC where the court refused to exercise the discretion in spreading the costs among the claimants. So the guy who brought the suit here is either really PO'd or he thinks he's got a great chance of winning or he's broke and doesn't care, because there is precedent for him to get slapped with some ugly costs.
What I'm curious about is how individuals and businesses can get away with this, period. The lawyer on the show only read a couple of lines of the statute last night, and as I said earlier, one stated that reselling tickets over face value is illegal, and the other said that it's illegal to purchase with the intent to resell at over face value. That sounded very black and white, but there has to be more to it for people to be getting away with it, right? Or are law enforcement and government just turning a blind eye?

I noticed the lawyer speaking on the program last night seemed very hesitant to come out and say that Ticketmaster is doing anything wrong, here. He kept stating over and over that there's not enough information.
__________________
VintagePunk is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 06:48 PM   #22
Blue Crack Distributor
 
VintagePunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: In a dry and waterless place
Posts: 55,732
Local Time: 02:51 PM
Apparently, a case can't be filed in British Columbia because there's no anti-scalping law, but the BC Solicitor General is looking into it. One of the lawyers has stated that the case probably will be expanded into Alberta and Manitoba though, where they do have anti-scalping laws. I really hope this gets as big as it sounds like it potentially could.

Ticketmaster lawsuit off limits for B.C. residents


Ticketmaster lawsuit off limits for B.C. residents

With no anti-scalping laws, B.C. can't follow $500-million Ontario class action suit


By Amy O'Brian, Vancouver SunFebruary 10, 2009



Angry ticket buyers in British Columbia will not be able to join a $500-million class action lawsuit against Ticketmaster, which has been reselling tickets at marked-up rates under the name TicketsNow.

The lawsuit was filed Monday in Ontario and is based on that province's anti-scalping legislation, which says it is illegal to sell tickets for more than face value.

But because B.C. has no similar legislation, people in this province have little recourse.

"I sympathize entirely," said Luciana Brasil, a Vancouver-based lawyer at Branch MacMaster, which often partners with Windsor-based firm, Sutts, Strosberg LLP. The two firms filed the suit.

"We're bringing the lawsuit based on very specific anti-scalping legislation, which exists in Ontario. We're probably also going to expand to Alberta and Manitoba, where they have the same type of legislation, but unfortunately in B.C. there is no law that prohibits scalping."

The lawsuit was filed in Toronto on behalf of Toronto resident Henryk Krajewski, who his lawyers say paid more than $500 for two tickets to see the Smashing Pumpkins after he tried to buy them for their $130 face value on Ticketmaster's main website. After being denied the tickets on Ticketmaster, he was redirected to TicketsNow, which resells tickets at marked-up prices, but is owned by Ticketmaster.

The lawsuit takes issue not only with Ticketmaster reselling its tickets at higher rates on TicketsNow, but also challenges the corporation on its practice of charging "convenience fees" on tickets.

"The law [in Ontario] says you cannot sell tickets for a price that exceeds the price at which the ticket was first issued," said Brasil.

"And in our view, because you have to pay those fees and charges to get the ticket, in reality, you're paying more for the ticket than the face value."


Valerie MacLean, executive director of the B.C. Crime Prevention Association, says scalping in this province puts the consumer at risk.

"It's a consumer protection issue. The tickets people purchase [from scalpers] may not be valid," she said.

"Why isn't scalping illegal in B.C.?"

A representative for B.C. Solicitor-General John van Dongen said Monday that the ministry is researching the issue of anti-scalping legislation.


Public outrage over Ticketmaster's practices is not new in Vancouver. The Vancouver Sun was flooded with complaints last September when tickets to the AC/DC concert at GM Place sold out in four minutes. And as fast as the $99 tickets disappeared from Ticketmaster's main site, they reappeared on TicketsNow for prices in the $500 range. A few days later, tickets were going for as much as $1,318 each.

Brasil suggests people angered by Ticketmaster's practices lobby their provincial politicians.

"I think people would be really upset with their politicians if it comes to a situation where a person who lives in Ontario is protected

. . . and then British Columbians still have to pay more," she said.

"I'd be surprised if people wouldn't be very upset about that and lobby vigorously."
__________________
VintagePunk is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 07:02 PM   #23
Blue Crack Addict
 
anitram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: NY
Posts: 16,290
Local Time: 02:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VintagePunk View Post

I noticed the lawyer speaking on the program last night seemed very hesitant to come out and say that Ticketmaster is doing anything wrong, here. He kept stating over and over that there's not enough information.
Well that's the thing - it's hard to tell what their evidence is regarding TM's practices here.

I know almost nothing about scalping laws at all but from anecdotal evidence it sure seems like something that isn't enforced at all, or isn't enforced effectively.
__________________
anitram is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 09:00 PM   #24
Blue Crack Distributor
 
VintagePunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: In a dry and waterless place
Posts: 55,732
Local Time: 02:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by anitram View Post
Well that's the thing - it's hard to tell what their evidence is regarding TM's practices here.

I know almost nothing about scalping laws at all but from anecdotal evidence it sure seems like something that isn't enforced at all, or isn't enforced effectively.
The way I understand it is this: the TicketsNow website is owned by TM. It's like eBay but without the auction. People post tickets that were originally bought through TM at whatever price they choose. When they're sold, TM charges the seller a fee (not sure if the buyer is charged a fee as well, but knowing TM's greed, I would imagine so). The buyer's money goes to TM, who holds it until the ticket seller mails the hard copy of their ticket in to TM. Then TM issues the buyer a new ticket, sends it out, and the seller receives their money from TM.

The way I understand the lawsuit, there are a couple of different issues in question:

-does Ticketmaster hold back tickets from event sales, and sell them on TicketsNow at an inflated price? They claim they don't.

-is TM acting fraudulently or deceptively in redirecting customers to the TicketsNow website, leaving many of them thinking that they're still on TM's site, and purchasing tickets at face? TM seems to be claiming that there have only been a few isolated incidents of this happening and that it's not a conflict of interest on their part.

-if Ontario (and other jurisdictions') laws really are black and white, and selling for face value is against the law, at the very least, TM is guilty of providing the means for people to scalp tickets, as well as profiting from the sales, by charging fees. Their role in this instance is almost akin to being a pimp. They claim that they're doing the consumer a favour by ensuring that any tickets they purchase are not fraudulent, and I suppose they are right about that. But if the act of selling tickets above face value is illegal to begin with, how can this be justified?

-finally, they seem to be questioning TMs right to charge fees over face value, period. I can't see them getting too far with this one. They've been charging the fees for years, and I don't think that's going to change.
__________________
VintagePunk is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2009, 03:09 PM   #25
Blue Crack Distributor
 
VintagePunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: In a dry and waterless place
Posts: 55,732
Local Time: 02:51 PM
A second class action suit was filed against Ticketmaster, this time for the refund of the many and sundry fees that are attached to the purchase of their tickets.

The legal team has found that all Canadian suits against Ticketmaster must be filed in Ontario, so what they've determined is that since the suits are filed here, Ontario law is in effect, and people in other provinces can participate, even those who live in places that don't have anti-scalping laws.

Web fees, restrictions fuel second Ticketmaster suit


Web fees, restrictions fuel second Ticketmaster suit

By Sarah Schmidt, Canwest News ServiceFebruary 13, 2009


Ticketmaster is facing a second class-action lawsuit that could mean a small windfall for any Canadian who has coughed up cash to cover the extra fees and surcharges for a concert ticket.

The$250-million lawsuit, filed on Thursday in Ontario Superior Court on behalf of plaintiffs from across the country, comes just days after a $500-million action on behalf of Ontario residents, alleging Ticketmaster conspired to direct event tickets from Ticketmaster's lower priced portal in favour of its ticket brokering website, where tickets sell at premium prices.

The new case takes on the issue of extra fees and surcharges charged by Ticketmaster when customers purchase tickets to events through its website. In addition to a "convenience" fee of up to $14 for a single ticket, Ticketmaster charges a "building facility" charge and an order processing fee.

Ticketmaster also charges be-tween $1.75 and $2.50 for customers to print their tickets under its TicketFast service.

The Edmonton plaintiff in the case alleges these charges contravene Ontario's

ticket speculation law prohibiting the sale of a ticket above the i ssued price of the ticket. In two recent cases, he ended up being charged about$15 more than the listed ticket price after Ticketmaster tacked on extra fees.

The law firms of Sutts, Strosberg of Toronto and BranchMc-Master in Vancouver contend Ticketmaster customers outside Ontario are protected by this legislation because Ticketmaster's terms of use stipulates any disputes involving tickets for any event in Canada are "governed by the laws of the Province of Ontario."

Jay Strosberg, one of the lawyers representing the plaintiffs, says the legal team sought to find a way to expand the original class-action suit to include non-Ontario residents after an overwhelming response to the initial $500-million suit, filed on Monday.

"We discovered that Ticketmaster requires all disputes regarding tickets to be litigated in Ontario," Strosberg said.

"That caused us to look very carefully at the terms of use on its website and they require all lawsuits to be brought in Ontario. The effect is that a person in British Columbia . . . by Ticketmaster's terms of use, is able to rely on Ontario law."
__________________
VintagePunk is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-23-2009, 07:43 PM   #26
Blue Crack Distributor
 
VintagePunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: In a dry and waterless place
Posts: 55,732
Local Time: 02:51 PM
Looks like they've come to an agreement in New Jersey regarding the Springsteen ticket fiasco. I'm still hoping they get nailed in Canada, far more harshly than they did in NJ.

Ticketmaster will stop linking customers to subsidiary - Breaking News From New Jersey - NJ.com


Ticketmaster will stop linking customers to subsidiary
by Peggy McGlone/The Star-Ledger
Monday February 23, 2009, 1:11 PM

Ticket giant Ticketmaster has reached a national settlement with the New Jersey Attorney General in which it agrees to stop linking customers to TicketsNow, a subsidiary agency that sells tickets at scalper's prices.

Attorney General Anne Milgram said Ticketmaster has agreed to run a lottery that will make 2,000 tickets available at face value to customers who complained about the way Ticketmaster handled the Feb. 2 sale of tickets to Bruce Springsteen's shows May 21 and 23 at the Izod Center at the Meadlowlands.

More than 2,200 fans complained to the Attorney General that they were redirected from the Tickemaster website to TicketsNow even though tickets were still available at face value.

Fans - more than 1,000 - who don't win a pair of tickets in the lottery will be given $100 gift certificates, Milgram said, and the ability to purchase tickets for an upcoming Springsteen concert in New Jersey.

The settlement requires Ticketmaster to pay $350,000 to the state for costs associated with the investigation.

It will also end a previous advertising arrangement in which customers Googling for Ticketmaster were automatically sent to the TicketsNow web site.

"This is a very significant agreement for consumers in New Jersey," said Milgram at a morning press conference at the Izod Center. "The settlement is national in scope and it changes fundamentally Ticketmaster's business practices."
__________________
VintagePunk is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-23-2009, 09:39 PM   #27
War Child
 
ShipOfFools's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: USA
Posts: 814
Local Time: 03:51 PM
I hate Ticketbastard, they screwed me when I got Rush tickets a few years back. I hope this lawsuit changes some things.
__________________
ShipOfFools is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2009, 12:03 PM   #28
ONE
love, blood, life
 
Jive Turkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 13,646
Local Time: 02:51 PM
Somewhat encouraging news about TicketsNow

Not sure if this is the right forum for this, but I figured you guys would be interested. At least the Canadians anways.

Ontario attorney general to bring in legislation on ticket overpricing


Edit: Thanks for the move. Didnt see this one
__________________
Jive Turkey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2009, 09:23 PM   #29
Blue Crack Distributor
 
VintagePunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: In a dry and waterless place
Posts: 55,732
Local Time: 02:51 PM
Ha, I just came to post the text of a couple of articles and saw this thread was bumped.

It seems that when enough consumers bitch to their elected representatives, things eventually start to get done.

Here's one from a few weeks ago:

Ontario wants same fair access to concert tickets as Americans: Bentley
Mar 2, 2009

TORONTO — Ticketmaster and its online resale site TicketsNow, which recently drew the ire of Bruce Springsteen and U.S. officials, will be probed to ensure people are paying a fair price for entertainment and sporting events, Ontario's attorney general said Monday.

The availability and pricing of tickets sold through the entertainment colossus will go under the Ontario government's microscope, a move the Consumer's Association of Canada called "long overdue."

"More and more Ontarians are increasingly concerned about fair access to tickets at a fair price," said Attorney General Chris Bentley. "I want to make sure Ontario families get fair access to tickets."


Last week, Ticketmaster agreed to pay the state of New Jersey $350,000 and to change the way it does business in the United States because of an outcry from Springsteen fans about TicketsNow, where tickets for his homecoming show were being offered at hundreds of dollars above face value.

Ticketmaster purchased TicketsNow last year for US$265 million, and takes a slice of every ticket resold through TicketsNow in addition to the original service charges it levies when tickets are first sold.

Complaints about Ticketmaster's ownership of the site were raised again last week after tickets went on sale for a Toronto concert by Canadian icon Leonard Cohen, Bentley said.

The minister's staff has been tasked with reviewing Ticketmaster's settlement with New Jersey, which included a promise to compensate Springsteen fans who had been redirected to TicketsNow.

"Certain changes were made in the United States to make sure that American consumers were being treated fairly (and) I want to make sure that Ontario consumers are being treated fairly," Bentley said.

"I've asked my ministry officials to explore this issue and to provide me with options."

Bentley wouldn't say what options his staff could recommend after reviewing the Ticketmaster situation.

It is illegal in Ontario to sell tickets above their face value.

Under the settlement with New Jersey, Ticketmaster agreed to remove the link to TicketsNow from its website in the United States, and has since removed the link to TicketsNow from its Canadian website as well.

Mel Fruitman of the Consumers Association of Canada welcomed the attorney general's probe, and said Ticketmaster should never have been allowed to redirect customers to TicketsNow, where tickets are often sold at many times their face value.

"That was just so egregious, flipping people automatically from Ticketmaster to TicketsNow, which is of course what Bruce Springsteen complained about," Fruitman said in an interview.

"As soon as they realized the bad PR they were getting out of that they discontinued (it), but the basic question remains: how do those tickets wind up on their resale site so quickly?"


Ticketmaster did not return calls for comment Monday, but in an email exchange with The Canadian Press the company insisted it did not give TicketsNow any preferential access to tickets.

"Ticketmaster goes to great lengths to ensure that members of the public have the most fair opportunity possible to buy tickets in the primary market," wrote Albert Lopez, vice-president of strategic communications.

"We intend to co-operate with the minister every step of the way, to get the best possible result for Ontario and the rest of Canada."

Fruitman said Ticketmaster has such a monopoly on the market that it actually sets the prices consumers pay for tickets to an event, not the performers people are paying to see.

"Increasingly it's the company that is selling the tickets that determines what the charge to the customer is going to be," he said.

There have been at least two class-action suits filed against Ticketmaster in Canada over its services fees and charges and over its ownership of TicketsNow, as well as a U.S. Justice Department probe of the company's planned merger with Live Nation.




And today's news:

Ontario law targets Ticketmaster
By THE CANADIAN PRESS

TORONTO - Ontario is planning legislation to stop Ticketmaster from allowing tickets for Ontario concerts and other events to be resold on its TicketsNow website.

Premier Dalton McGuinty says the Ontario government tried to convince Ticketmaster to do what we he says is the right thing to protect ticket buyers.

However, McGuinty says the company wouldn't agree to stop letting tickets for Ontario events be sold on the resale site it owns, TicketsNow, so the province will have to introduce legislation.


He says the province was just asking Ticketmaster to be reasonable.

Ticketmaster is facing a growing backlash from consumers and artists opposed to its ownership of TicketsNow, where tickets are often sold for many times the face value.

Two class-action lawsuits have been filed in Canada against Ticketmaster and the federal Competition Bureau is also looking at the company's policies.

Ticketmaster reached a $350,000 settlement with the state of New Jersey and agreed to compensate fans to a Bruce Springsteen concert after The Boss fumed about prices on TicketsNow.




IMO, once they get this Ticketmaster mess cleaned up here, they need to start going after those who are blatantly selling tickets at inflated prices. I hope they don't stop at TM.
__________________

__________________
VintagePunk is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
ticketmaster

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:51 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com