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Old 11-07-2009, 11:57 PM   #1
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Avril Lavigne Mergathon/What REALLY caused Avril Lavigne’s career to go downhill?

Hey fellow Interferencers. I know there are tons of people who hate Avril Lavigne. But consider young pop artists like Justin Timberlake, Christina Aguilera, and Beyonce. All three were widely rejected early in their careers, but now have earned a vast amount of acceptance from the populace.

So...

How would you guys feel if Avril Lavigne manages to become as popular and well-respected as Madonna (or even U2)?

Before anyone starts flaming me, I have a few decent arguments to express.

Let’s say-

1. She transitions away from the ‘punk princess’ gimmick, and completely re-invents her style
2. She makes a departure from her earlier work and advances her music
3. She secures her artistic credibility, demonstrates musical growth, and proves her authenticity
4. She discards the bratty, girly fluff, and starts putting out more well-crafted, high-caliber music that withstands the passage of time
5. She avoids writing cookie-cutter pop songs about boys, and begins recording serious-minded songs that contain profound lyrics of considerable depth
6. She stops catering to the teenage crowd, and reaches out to a more general, adult audience of discerning listeners
7. She sets herself apart from her female pop contemporaries- i.e. Britney Spears, Kelly Clarkson, Pink, Miley Cyrus, Katy Perry, Taylor Swift, Hilary Duff, Ashlee Simpson, and Lindsay Lohan

Given these hypothetical conditions-

How would you feel if Avril becomes able to develop a massive fanbase around the world? How would you feel if she becomes able to remain relevant and to sustain a lot of staying power in the music industry? How would you feel if she eventually achieves a Madonna/U2-like level of esteem and longevity?

How would you guys feel if Avril legitimately earns an iconic reputation 20 years from now?

And I hope not to hear sarcastic nonsense like “Lord help us” or “That’s hell in a hand basket”. I just would like a mature and meaningful discussion here.

Thanks guys.
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I think she already tried to age up her music a little and then when that failed she completely regressed and started making awful songs like Girlfriend, so I don't think she'll ever really be that respectable. Honestly she's not awful, she's made some decent songs I wouldn't have written her off until I heard Girlfriend but really unless she comes out and says what is probably her most popular song is embarrassing trash than I don't expect her to ever be a mature respectable artist
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I think she already tried to age up her music a little and then when that failed she completely regressed and started making awful songs like Girlfriend, so I don't think she'll ever really be that respectable. Honestly she's not awful, she's made some decent songs I wouldn't have written her off until I heard Girlfriend but really unless she comes out and says what is probably her most popular song is embarrassing trash than I don't expect her to ever be a mature respectable artist

That's kind of how I feel. I mean, she wrote cheesy pop in the beginning, then she sorta began to mature and write some decent music I'm not ashamed to say I like. She was successful with that, and for some reason, she decided that the next logical step was to revert back to shit like "Girlfriend". Logical.
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'Under My Skin' was a surprisingly cohesive album. 'Who Knows' was a huge missed opportunity for a hit single. However 'The Best Damn Thing' was for the most part appalling.
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I like a couple of singles from her first album, the ones that weren't Complicated or Sk8r Boi, namely. But I think you're asking for maybe seven too many hypotheticals, there. Sorry!
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Mobile, Losing Grip, Complicated, Girlfriend, He Wasn't, My Happy Ending......I adore Avril music, there's probably more brilliant tunes I've forgotten, but I always enjoy her songs (with the exception of Sk8er Boi). I really should get one of her albums.

Haven't got time to engage in meaningful discussion about the lovely Avril Lavigne, cause I'm in the midst of SWOTVAK for exams (one of which I am destined to fail), but maybe later....she is brill though.
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How would I feel if etc etc etc? I'd feel "Hey, good for her." If I liked her reinvented music, I'd be all over it. Even if I didn't like what she was doing, I'd still think "Hey, good for her."

I don't necessarily think she's the artist who might do this kind of reinvention, based on the music I've heard of hers. My love of cheesy pop music is fairly well-known here, so it's no surprise that I like "Girlfriend."

The only other of hers that I really like is "I'm With You" (I think that's what I called). That's a damned fine pop song.
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Nothing about Avril Lavigne so far has given me any indication that she's capable of that kind of major reinvention. Bratty pop-punk princess stuff is IMO what she's best at, at least it's fun. Whenever she tries to go for something with more depth she just ends up exposing her limitations.
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Avril is relaly good she's got great pop sensibility and a good future ahead of her and she has some good songs and congratulatiosn Avril for having your own thread!!!
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Avril's my favorite Canadian.
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What about Robin Sherbatsky/Sparkles?
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What about Robin Sherbatsky/Sparkles?
Oooooh, good call, I actually do like Robin more than Avril.
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Avril's my favorite Canadian.
My favorite Canadians are Bill Shatner, Jason Priestley, Jim Carrey, Michael J Fox and Martin Short

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Take that, BoMac.

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