bono_212
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I'm so glad that was cleared up.
I'm not sure if this the time or place to make mention of this, but I did want to clear something up -
I'm 100% definitely NOT a covert agent for a shadowy, secretive, unacknowledged arm of the government, ok? I mean, the very idea that such an organization would exist is absurd, let alone my potential participation. LOL, right? Crazy.
But, if I were such an agent, my code name would be SCUBA.
I'm not, though.
But still.
By the way, I'm glad you all asked:
And she just won a Tony. A motherfuckin' Tony!
Hey fellow Interferencers. I know there are tons of people who hate Avril Lavigne. But consider young pop artists like Justin Timberlake, Christina Aguilera, and Beyonce. All three were widely rejected early in their careers, but now have earned a vast amount of acceptance from the populace.
So...
How would you guys feel if Avril Lavigne manages to become as popular and well-respected as Madonna (or even U2)?
Before anyone starts flaming me, I have a few decent arguments to express.
Let’s say-
1. She transitions away from the ‘punk princess’ gimmick, and completely re-invents her style
2. She makes a departure from her earlier work and advances her music
3. She secures her artistic credibility, demonstrates musical growth, and proves her authenticity
4. She discards the bratty, girly fluff, and starts putting out more well-crafted, high-caliber music that withstands the passage of time
5. She avoids writing cookie-cutter pop songs about boys, and begins recording serious-minded songs that contain profound lyrics of considerable depth
6. She stops catering to the teenage crowd, and reaches out to a more general, adult audience of discerning listeners
7. She sets herself apart from her female pop contemporaries- i.e. Britney Spears, Kelly Clarkson, Pink, Miley Cyrus, Katy Perry, Taylor Swift, Hilary Duff, Ashlee Simpson, and Lindsay Lohan
Given these hypothetical conditions-
How would you feel if Avril becomes able to develop a massive fanbase around the world? How would you feel if she becomes able to remain relevant and to sustain a lot of staying power in the music industry? How would you feel if she eventually achieves a Madonna/U2-like level of esteem and longevity?
How would you guys feel if Avril legitimately earns an iconic reputation 20 years from now?
And I hope not to hear sarcastic nonsense like “Lord help us” or “That’s hell in a hand basket”. I just would like a mature and meaningful discussion here.
Thanks guys.
she still doesn't look old enough to get into an "R" rated movie after 12 goddamn years.
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I don't think her career is in a bad place at all. Consider her most recent album:
Contrary to what the singles might lead you to believe, "Avril Lavigne", the album, is a big step for Avril Lavigne, the singer, since it explores different sounds and nuances of Avril's voice and personality.
As a matter of fact, I believe Avril ought to pick her singles not just because they are commercially viable - I mean, outside her fanbase, who would know that her last album, "Goodbye Lullaby", was such a nice, smooth ballad album, when her singles include "What the Hell" (which could've been taken straight out of the poppy "The Best Damn Thing") and the (rather generic) "Smile" - but instead, because they reflect what the album is really like as a whole, its 'soul'. "Let Me Go", her current single, may be a better option in that respect, though I'd still say there are far better songs in the new album.
Songs like "Hello Kitty", "Give you what you like" and "Bad Girl" stand out precisely because they're so different from Avril's previous efforts, and you can still believe it's her, and not just her faking a personality. Not only are they fresh - thank God! - but they're also good; "Give you what you like" is actually one of my favorite songs of hers-- ever.
That's not to take credit from other solid songs like "17", "Hush Hush" and "Falling Fast", but these songs are within what you would expect from Avril, she's good at that, we know it. After more than a decade, I'm ready to see what else she's got-- and she's starting to show us.
I have to confess I was a bit worried when "Here's to never going up", the first single off this album, came out. Even though I thought the song was fun, I feared this album would be just another attempt to mimic how successful "Girlfriend" was, but, thankfully, I was very wrong.
Good for you, Avril! And good for the fans, too, obviously.
You clearly haven't seen all those bikini pictures that the paparazzi took of her.
This thread is becoming the first classic of 2014. I had to unearth this original post from 2009 and quote it here. It appears as if the very first paragraph is unwittingly funny and then the rest is… well.
So...I'm looking at Avril's singles and I gotta ask...when exactly did Avril's career go downhill? She's still getting top 40 singles on the radio to this day. I forgot all about "What the Hell" but that got a ton of radio play and apparently her last round of singles did just fine as well.
Not even GAF or Ashley are this passionate about crappy pop music.
You say you loved her first three albums. The next two, you say, tanked sales-wise. You don't mention whether or not you loved, liked, barely tolerated or hated those next two
And finally, honestly, comparing her to many of those other female artists you list isn't really fair. They have at least 2 distinct advantages over her: vocal prowess, and sex appeal.
Even back in 2002, I found her bland brand of teen angst pop-rock utterly nauseating. It was always going to have a limited shelf-life, and unless she was able to reinvent herself pretty drastically (with strong material) her appeal wasn't going to endure.
her music is dated
Simple answer, her music sucks. And apparently it sucks so much that not even the average pop music fan likes it.
But is she relevant? not unless you are a 14 year old girl.
If you enjoy her music, people shouldn't be giving you shit about it.
Why does Avril have to be the outcast?
And French April is what...29....and her last big success was her 3rd album released when she was what...23....seeing the pattern yet? Taylor Swift won't have a legion of teenage fans in 5-6 years. If she evolves musically to a mature style, then the fans she has now will stay with her as they age, if not she'll pull an Avril and become an abject failure.Again, Taylor Swift (at age 23) has armies of teenage girl fans. So why is she NOT getting criticized?
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