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Old 05-11-2011, 04:53 PM   #91
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What does having a hit TV series have to do with it, then?




At any rate, Christina's still far more talented.
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I was just kidding, because I often bring looks into the discussion. Joke failed. My bad.
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What does having a hit TV series have to do with it, then?
Because he said Avril was "doing better," and I took that to mean career-wise. So the TV show is relevant.
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Christina's BEEN doin better...on all counts..

Noone would watch a show with Avril anyways...










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Well yeah, I'd say Christina has easily had a more successful career, although it's no secret this hasn't been her best run for a while, with the disappointing album sales, and didn't she cancel tour dates, or the tour altogether or something?

I thought it was a relevant comparison, considering this post is about Avril's recent album flopping and tour problems.
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What...feeding frenzy? I really didn't see anything like that happen. It was like five posts...
I guess I was being over-sensitive.

I revealed to a bunch of Coldplay fans that I was an Avril/Gaga/TayTay fan, and they all started antagonizing me.
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I guess I was being over-sensitive.

I revealed to a bunch of Coldplay fans that I was an Avril/Gaga/TayTay fan, and they all started antagonizing me.
See? Coldplay doesn't rip off U2 after all.
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Because he said Avril was "doing better," and I took that to mean career-wise.
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Well yeah, I'd say Christina has easily had a more successful career, although it's no secret this hasn't been her best run for a while, with the disappointing album sales, and didn't she cancel tour dates, or the tour altogether or something?

I thought it was a relevant comparison, considering this post is about Avril's recent album flopping and tour problems.
I apologize. I should've been more explicit.

First, I agree that Christina is heaps more talented than Avril and Britney combined. And Christina's music career has stayed fairly consistent since 1999, unlike Britney's.

In my last post, I was actually comparing the sales of Christina's Bionic to the sales of Avril's Goodbye Lullaby.

By and large, both Bionic and Goodbye Lullaby have flopped. Both have dropped out of sight on the album charts very quickly.

Unlike Goodbye Lullaby, Bionic has had slightly better sales in the US. But unlike Bionic, Goodbye Lullaby has sold massively in Asia. Recently, I've read somewhere on an Avril fan forum that Goodbye Lullaby has narrowly edged out Bionic in overall worldwide sales- all thanks to the people of Asia.

I wish I could post some figures, but they're scattered all over that Avril fan forum. And I don't want to use Wikipedia.

Plus, Christina had to scrap her entire tour. Avril is at least touring her biggest markets.
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Plus, Christina had to scrap her entire tour.
Didn't she just postpone the dates till sometime this year?
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Didn't she just postpone the dates till sometime this year?
I don't think so. How could she tour on a tanked album and zero hit singles?
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I don't think so. How could she tour on a tanked album and zero hit singles?
You don't suddenly forget the name of an extremely popular musician that has been established for a decade because of one poorly-received album. She can tour based on any whim of hers.
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Hey guys. I'm anxious to hear what you have to say.

Do you think it would be possible for both Avril and Christina to recover from these disappointing album sales? What do you think caused their respective albums to tank and their respective fanbases to dwindle?

Personally, I don't think the whole "flash-in-the-pan-destined-to-flame-out" argument applies to someone like Avril. Like I said, Britney and Pink are still making hit music.

I don't know what the future holds for Christina. Isn't starring in a reality show a tell-tale sign that your music career is over?



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I'm not as familiar with Avril as I am with Christina, but I'll give my twon cents, as a pop fan. I'd say Avril needs some good songs that don't sound like another peppy poppy song that a cheerleading squad should be singing.

I didn't hear her last album, but I listened once to the new one, and other than What the Hell (which was fun, if not anything earth-shattering, but way too similar to Girlfriend), I didn't hear anything that remotely interested me. Her first album put her on the map, and while it wasn't going to make her the next Bob Dylan, it seemed to have a little more depth to it, and had good singles. (That's a guess, having only heard the singles.)

Christina's album wasn't bad (I like some of it, hate some of it), but it seemed like it came out too late to try and hop on the trend of the electro-pop or whatever you call some of the styles she seemed to be going for. Female pop singers doing anything remotely dance-oriented are now competing with Lady Gaga, and if you're going to take some of the attention off her, you'd best have some damn good songs or be doing something really cool and new.

Personally, I thought some of the best songs on Christina's album were all bonus tracks, so in my opinion, she didn't have those damn good songs she needed. And the lead single was just an awful choice. It sounded like a rehash of everything Lady Gaga and others had already been doing.

I'm sure some would argue that wasn't the case, but that's how it appeared to play out to me. It felt like she was jumping onto the train too late, with an album that wasn't able to compete.

But who's to say even a "good" album will revive a career? Avril or Christina might come out with a critically acclaimed album chock full of good songs in two years, but it's entirely possible no one but their most hardcore fans will care.

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Not necessarily - J Lo's career was all but dead and over until she got the American Idol gig, and now she's got an album out. I can't say if it'll be a success or even if it's any good, but without the Idol gig, I highly doubt she'd have had another album at all.
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