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Old 01-11-2014, 12:23 AM   #196
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I don't think her career is in a bad place at all. Consider her most recent album:

Contrary to what the singles might lead you to believe, "Avril Lavigne", the album, is a big step for Avril Lavigne, the singer, since it explores different sounds and nuances of Avril's voice and personality.
As a matter of fact, I believe Avril ought to pick her singles not just because they are commercially viable - I mean, outside her fanbase, who would know that her last album, "Goodbye Lullaby", was such a nice, smooth ballad album, when her singles include "What the Hell" (which could've been taken straight out of the poppy "The Best Damn Thing") and the (rather generic) "Smile" - but instead, because they reflect what the album is really like as a whole, its 'soul'. "Let Me Go", her current single, may be a better option in that respect, though I'd still say there are far better songs in the new album.
Songs like "Hello Kitty", "Give you what you like" and "Bad Girl" stand out precisely because they're so different from Avril's previous efforts, and you can still believe it's her, and not just her faking a personality. Not only are they fresh - thank God! - but they're also good; "Give you what you like" is actually one of my favorite songs of hers-- ever.
That's not to take credit from other solid songs like "17", "Hush Hush" and "Falling Fast", but these songs are within what you would expect from Avril, she's good at that, we know it. After more than a decade, I'm ready to see what else she's got-- and she's starting to show us.
I have to confess I was a bit worried when "Here's to never going up", the first single off this album, came out. Even though I thought the song was fun, I feared this album would be just another attempt to mimic how successful "Girlfriend" was, but, thankfully, I was very wrong.
Good for you, Avril! And good for the fans, too, obviously.
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I don't think her career is in a bad place at all. Consider her most recent album:

Contrary to what the singles might lead you to believe, "Avril Lavigne", the album, is a big step for Avril Lavigne, the singer, since it explores different sounds and nuances of Avril's voice and personality.
As a matter of fact, I believe Avril ought to pick her singles not just because they are commercially viable - I mean, outside her fanbase, who would know that her last album, "Goodbye Lullaby", was such a nice, smooth ballad album, when her singles include "What the Hell" (which could've been taken straight out of the poppy "The Best Damn Thing") and the (rather generic) "Smile" - but instead, because they reflect what the album is really like as a whole, its 'soul'. "Let Me Go", her current single, may be a better option in that respect, though I'd still say there are far better songs in the new album.
Songs like "Hello Kitty", "Give you what you like" and "Bad Girl" stand out precisely because they're so different from Avril's previous efforts, and you can still believe it's her, and not just her faking a personality. Not only are they fresh - thank God! - but they're also good; "Give you what you like" is actually one of my favorite songs of hers-- ever.
That's not to take credit from other solid songs like "17", "Hush Hush" and "Falling Fast", but these songs are within what you would expect from Avril, she's good at that, we know it. After more than a decade, I'm ready to see what else she's got-- and she's starting to show us.
I have to confess I was a bit worried when "Here's to never going up", the first single off this album, came out. Even though I thought the song was fun, I feared this album would be just another attempt to mimic how successful "Girlfriend" was, but, thankfully, I was very wrong.
Good for you, Avril! And good for the fans, too, obviously.

Hahah, you ass. I actually read that seriously for about three sentences.
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You clearly haven't seen all those bikini pictures that the paparazzi took of her.
This thread is useless without pics.
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So...I'm looking at Avril's singles and I gotta ask...when exactly did Avril's career go downhill? She's still getting top 40 singles on the radio to this day. I forgot all about "What the Hell" but that got a ton of radio play and apparently her last round of singles did just fine as well.
Basically this. After reading a bit about her, it seems she's doing pretty damn well, not just in music but also in other business ventures.
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Not even GAF or Ashley are this passionate about crappy pop music.
Then how come GAF's threads about Taylor Swift never generate much hatred? Answer me that!

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You say you loved her first three albums. The next two, you say, tanked sales-wise. You don't mention whether or not you loved, liked, barely tolerated or hated those next two
Her fourth and fifth albums (the ones that tanked) were just okay. But they didn't deserve to fail.

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And finally, honestly, comparing her to many of those other female artists you list isn't really fair. They have at least 2 distinct advantages over her: vocal prowess, and sex appeal.
Taylor Swift doesn't have much vocal prowess, yet she's been at the top of her game.

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Even back in 2002, I found her bland brand of teen angst pop-rock utterly nauseating. It was always going to have a limited shelf-life, and unless she was able to reinvent herself pretty drastically (with strong material) her appeal wasn't going to endure.
How can this criticism of Avril NOT hold true for Taylor Swift? Can't Swift's music be classified as "bland teen pop-rock with a limited shelf-life"?

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her music is dated
So is JT's. Yet he made a smash hit out of Mirrors.

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Simple answer, her music sucks. And apparently it sucks so much that not even the average pop music fan likes it.
I can say the same thing about other pop artists' music.

Why does Avril have to be the outcast?

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But is she relevant? not unless you are a 14 year old girl.
Again, Taylor Swift (at age 23) has armies of teenage girl fans. So why is she NOT getting criticized?

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If you enjoy her music, people shouldn't be giving you shit about it.
People DO give me shit about my liking Avril. But no one gives shit to GAF about liking Taylor Swift.
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Maybe it's more the creepy stalker conspiracy theorist sort of way you go about it that rubs people the wrong way?
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So, basically, what you're saying is... You hate Taylor Swift.
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Why does Avril have to be the outcast?
This is not the reunion Cobbler had in mind.
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Okay, first of all, IWB is right, the tone that you use in these posts is really creepy, it almost comes off like if you met an Avril hater in real life, you'd gun them down. Second of all, JT's music is not dated, 20/20 Exp pt. 1 was wildly successful, and I'm not alone in thinking Mirrors is the worst song on it. Third of all, GAF couldn't give a shit whether or not people like Taylor Swift. He just likes her music. He doesn't post ridiculous diatribes (well, he actually does that all the time, but you get my point).

But mostly, you've mentioned Outkast (you seem to have spelt it wrong though) and I'm glad you did - because you've opened yourself up to a whole new world of great music. Forget all about Avril and bask in the glory that is Atlanta's greatest export.

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Again, Taylor Swift (at age 23) has armies of teenage girl fans. So why is she NOT getting criticized?


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And French April is what...29....and her last big success was her 3rd album released when she was what...23....seeing the pattern yet? Taylor Swift won't have a legion of teenage fans in 5-6 years. If she evolves musically to a mature style, then the fans she has now will stay with her as they age, if not she'll pull an Avril and become an abject failure.
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