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Old 04-06-2014, 07:55 PM   #61
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Well by "trumps" I'm talking about the sensationalistic nature combined with the amount of potential work lost.
I'm not really sure the potential work lost would have amounted to anything greater than what he already produced, to be honest. I mean, have there been recordings released post humously that give any indication of this? I'm asking sincerely, as I mentioned I wasn't overly enamoured with Nirvana to begin with so that likely colors my opinion a little and it's not like I was ever interested enough to follow the goings on after his death. I do like many Foo Fighters songs tho..


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Weren't the drugs he was receiving from Dr. Murray illegal?

It's safe to say that as a recording artist he was pretty much done.
- well they were at least administered in an illegal fashion which resulted in the crime of manslaughter, that's for sure. So I'm not sure the point being made, but..

- I wouldn't say it's safe to say his career was done. If we're going to gauge the end of artists' careers by whether an album goes 2x platinum vs 7x platinum, we might as well write off U2 completely now lol!
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Old 04-06-2014, 09:08 PM   #63
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Lennon's death was second to only one other musician's in terms of cultural impact. Hendrix, Joplin, Morrison, Cobain, Tupac, Biggie, Jackson, Houston, Hutchence, Mercury, Holly and every other musician who died tragically young didn't measure up to Lennon in terms of their impact, there is only one who did and exceeded him and that's Elvis Presley.
Yeah most people would agree.

 
Maybe not Chuck D tho..
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I'm not really sure the potential work lost would have amounted to anything greater than what he already produced, to be honest. I mean, have there been recordings released post humously that give any indication of this? I'm asking sincerely, as I mentioned I wasn't overly enamoured with Nirvana to begin with so that likely colors my opinion a little..
Oh, you think it colors your opinion a little? I'm only a moderate Nirvana fan, but you really have to be obtuse to not see that he was on the cusp of something pretty different and considerably more sophisticated than what he had done before.

Whether or not any late recordings bear this out (I don't think there's much, if any), he was a acknowledged creative songwriter with a big following who was only 27. The notion that any further work wouldn't have been worth anything? Come on.

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I wouldn't say it's safe to say his career was done.
If we're going to gauge the end of artists' careers by whether an album goes 2x platinum vs 7x platinum, we might as well write off U2 completely now lol!
Well, album sales are down overall in the last decade so that's a false equivalence right there. You're talking 2001 vs. 2009.

Let's compare the album U2 put out the same year as Jackson's Invisible. All That You Can't Leave Behind is certified twice as many sales.

Are you trying to tell me that there would still be a legitimate demand for new MJ music had he lived? I think you're kidding yourself. The pop audience is pretty damned fickle. And it's safe to say that creatively, he was at a pretty low point. If you think with all his troubles he would have turned it around, more power to you. I don't. I find it amusing you think he had gas left in the tank yet are skeptical that Kurt Cobain at half MJ's age didn't.
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You'll probably not be able to understand my opinion until you accept that I really really liked MJs music and didn't really like Cobain's that much at all. I dont think he was nearly as creative as MJ and I don't see what you say was apparently forthcoming from him had he not killed himself. That's not being obtuse, it's just a taste thing.

For all either of us know, he could have petered off into irrelevance or make some really shitty music that ended up flopping. I mean, noone really knows. Compare him and Bono at 27...safe to say that we absolutely knew Bono had a hell of alot more to give the world at 27. Absolutely without a doubt.

As for MJ, the fact remains that he still sold a shit ton of music in a sales-depressed music industry and since his death sales of his music have hit something like $700million. That's a healthy demand. It will be interesting to see what happens to Xscape next month.
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I'm not really sure the potential work lost would have amounted to anything greater than what he already produced, to be honest. I mean, have there been recordings released post humously that give any indication of this? I'm asking sincerely,


This is a head scratcher to me. How would any lost recording released posthumously be any indication of his future work had he lived?
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For all either of us know, he could have petered off into irrelevance or make some really shitty music that ended up flopping. I mean, noone really knows. Compare him and Bono at 27...safe to say that we absolutely knew Bono had a hell of alot more to give the world at 27. Absolutely without a doubt.
Of course we can't say for sure what Cobain's future output would have looked like, but I would say that In Utero was a masterwork that pointed at several daring and artistically promising directions. I would think that he would have become a Nick Cave like figure with a great deal of genre experimentation. The odds that he was going to start releasing a bunch of Bon Jovi-esque shit ballads or something are pretty small.
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This is a head scratcher to me. How would any lost recording released posthumously be any indication of his future work had he lived?
Well ostensibly it would be stuff since the last album which would give some clue as to what might have been next ie what he was working on but unfinished..
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I'm trying to think of what would be a current day equivalent to Kurt Cobain's sudden death 20 years ago. I suppose maybe Kanye West, maybe Alex Turner or Lady Gaga? What would have the most identical impact and resonance? I really don't know.

Gaga might be too big. Kanye has had too much sustained success and Turner isn't nearly well known enough.

I'm not sure there is a proper comparison right now. What popped into my head was Kendrick but he hasn't made as much of a mark.
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You'll probably not be able to understand my opinion until you accept that I really really liked MJs music and didn't really like Cobain's that much at all. I dont think he was nearly as creative as MJ and I don't see what you say was apparently forthcoming from him had he not killed himself. That's not being obtuse, it's just a taste thing.
I accept it. But I can still talk about artists I'm not really into from a relatively object viewpoint. I'm not an Elliot Smith or Jeff Buckley fan. Did they likely have more great work ahead? For sure.

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Of course we can't say for sure what Cobain's future output would have looked like, but I would say that In Utero was a masterwork that pointed at several daring and artistically promising directions. I would think that he would have become a Nick Cave like figure with a great deal of genre experimentation. The odds that he was going to start releasing a bunch of Bon Jovi-esque shit ballads or something are pretty small.
This.

If you can't set aside your own personal taste to objectively recognize this, I'm not sure why one would even want to take part in the discussion.
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I think the fourth album would have been in a similar vein as Pearl Jam's No Code. A more quiet, melancholic, meditative effort. Somebody already mentioned Automatic For the People. A collaboration with Michael Stipe on a record was also supposedly on the cards. There was definitely a lot of potential and undiscovered territory there.

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I'll assume age and geography probably limit your full understanding of the Beatles' and Lennon's impact on culture, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
I can assure you that geography has little to do with that kind of ignorance.
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If you can't set aside your own personal taste to objectively recognize this, I'm not sure why one would even want to take part in the discussion.
On the other hand, if one's personal taste causes one to not like much of it in the first place, it's pretty obvious that one would probably conclude that it's not going to get much better.

At any rate, I didn't realize this was The Completely Objective Academic Study Of Pop Culture Forum or that objectivity was the only thing welcome in what boils down to another thread of opinions...(but I do understand what you're saying about being able to objectively look at an artist you might not necessarily love). The OPs original post and the main questions that have been bandied about on this and other forums over the past few days while this anniversary of his death has been remembered, have been in a very personal (read: subjective) vein: where were you...how did it affect you..that kind of thing. And for me the answers are: "Dancing my ass off to house music" and "not much at all". I was sad that another musician died. That's about it. It didn't mean much else to me, because it's not like I liked his music that much or even grunge that much at all..

But anyways I've stated that a couple ways now and this is a thread for people to remember what he meant to them/their musical world, so I can let it rest..I'm certainly not wanting to trample on people's positive memories of the guy, that wasn't my intent at all..sorry if it came across that way.
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