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Old 04-06-2014, 12:22 PM   #31
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Also, the biggest "death is a career move" since Lennon.
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Also, the biggest "death is a career move" since Lennon.
I think I see what you are getting at here, but the phrasing is just deplorable. As though Lennon orchestrated his own shooting or Cobain chose crippling depression.
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A person can develop quite a tolerance to narcotics, so what might incapacitate you or me wouldn't have as much effect on a hard core addict.
Of course and that was what was theorized, that he had a serious tolerance, and likely he did. But there are certainly enough questions about his death where I can see someone questioning it being a suicide.
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Lennon was already a legend before he died and was enjoying commercial success via Double Fantasy. Not much of a career booster, given the context. Neither was it remotely voluntary.
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Lennon was already a legend before he died and was enjoying commercial success via Double Fantasy. Not much of a career booster, given the context. Neither was it remotely voluntary.
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I think I see what you are getting at here, but the phrasing is just deplorable. As though Lennon orchestrated his own shooting or Cobain chose crippling depression.
It's a famous phrase...it applies.

And if you know what is meant , you know it's not at all about choosing depression or orchestrating a murder. It's about the mythical hype for Nirvana/Cobain and Lennon after their death.
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Lennon was already a legend before he died and was enjoying commercial success via Double Fantasy. Not much of a career booster, given the context. Neither was it remotely voluntary.
Double Fantasy got a boost in sales/charts (given it came out three weeks before the shooting) and consequently negative reviews were withdrawn. Consider also the godlike status Lennon got in comparison to the other three Beatles since, or other 60's acts. It was a boost, absolutely. eta : this was a comeback album after a 5 year break, nothing more, nothing less. It only became more because of the events that followed the release. I would argue Lennon would not be seen as bigger than the other three (or, at the very least, not bigger than McCartney), if he'd still be around.

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It's a famous phrase...it applies.
It's about your perverse agenda to reduce any other band and/or musician to a stereotype based on a pathetic pun you got from the only band you actually seem to know something about. Educate yourself and stop being a wise-ass. You have no idea how stupid you look to people here.

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And if you know what is meant , you know it's not at all about choosing depression or orchestrating a murder. It's about the mythical hype for Nirvana/Cobain and Lennon after their death.
"Choosing" depression? Go and troll in your own backyard.
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And Houston and Jackson's deaths, while sudden, were directly or indirectly the result of unhealthy living, and people already thought they were in bad shape. Also not the same.

Cobain was someone who was young, in his prime, and near the peak of his popularity when he died. He had a young child at home. And he seemed to be on the cusp of a major change in direction musically.

Really trumps the other examples.
Not to pick on the dead but I don't see Cobain the mentally disturbed drug addict as any better or worse an example or anyone who necessarily "trumps" the death of Whitney Houston the mentally disturbed drug addict or Michael Jackson the mentally disturbed drug addict. Cobain died just as much a result of unhealthy living as did Jackson and Houston. Matter of fact, considering its said that both Houston and possibly Jackson were trying to turn a corner, actually trying to stay alive, some might consider their deaths more tragic than someone who takes their own life. I dont personally put tragedies on a scale like that, but definitely do consider Whitney's death very tragic, given the physical circumstances that have been reported.

The big difference for me is that Houston and Jackson's music far overshadow anything Cobain did. I can only tolerate some of it. Never got really into it at all.
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Double Fantasy got a boost in sales/charts (given it came out three weeks before the shooting) and consequently negative reviews were withdrawn. Consider also the godlike status Lennon got in comparison to the other three Beatles since, or other 60's acts. It was a boost, absolutely. eta : this was a comeback album after a 5 year break, nothing more, nothing less. It only became more because of the events that followed the release. I would argue Lennon would not be seen as bigger than the other three (or, at the very least, not bigger than McCartney), if he'd still be around.

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My argument wasn't that Double Fantasy's sales weren't to some degree benefited from by passing (although it was far too early to judge the fate of that album after three weeks of sales), merely that it wasn't exactly a huge career move when there wasn't much further up for him to go. His legacy was already sealed, unlike Kurt, who probably wouldn't be as respected today if he had run out of ideas. Two classic albums followed by years of garbage wouldn't be enough.

Plus, I'm uncomfortable with the idea that Lennon would have only damaged his discography after 1980. That's not a foregone conclusion. McCartney hit on some inspiration in the late 90s and has been riding it ever since. Lennon surely had more great material left in him.
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Matter of fact, considering its said that both Houston and possibly Jackson were trying to turn a corner, actually trying to stay alive, some might consider their deaths more tragic than someone who takes their own life.

In what way was MJ trying to turn a corner? Having a personal physician administer general anesthesia just so you can sleep is about as crazy as it gets.
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Plus, I'm uncomfortable with the idea that Lennon would have only damaged his discography after 1980. That's not a foregone conclusion. McCartney hit on some inspiration in the late 90s and has been riding it ever since. Lennon surely had more great material left in him.
Yes. Same can be said for Dylan's post-80s work.
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In what way was MJ trying to turn a corner? Having a personal physician administer general anesthesia just so you can sleep is about as crazy as it gets.
I meant in his career get things back on track. And I also was referring more to Houston and said "possibly" in reference to MJ.
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