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Old 09-28-2011, 02:12 PM   #76
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Use You Illusion was an overbloated mess.

Could have been one great album. Take out the covers and the "we're trying to be punk as fuck" songs and there you have it.
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Old 09-28-2011, 02:30 PM   #77
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Loving it just the way it was = you think there's no filler?

Too much good material for one album, but it should had been two shorter albums à la Being There.

I think there's some filler. Some stuff where you're thinking, What the Hell is Axl thinking here? But, I think the great songs overshadow stuff like Bad Apples or My World.
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Old 09-28-2011, 02:40 PM   #78
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Kurt even hated the production back in the day. Not surprising that people are picking on Nevermind for sounding dated and crappy now. He would probably agree. Nobody should feel embarrassed for hyping Nirvana, ever, they're a good band, but I don't care that they saved the universe or whatever. A lot of great music and a lot of shitty music was apparently made because of Nirvana, so why crown them for it? Right place, right time, right Boston riff. I live today, and today Nevermind don't sound so good. In Utero still sounds fresh and aggressive to me though (God bless you, Albini), so I listen to that one far more often.
Truth is, half of the piss-ass ignorant complaints you read about the production of any album released before 1996 is relative to the lack of subtlety in the ears of those raised on digital compression and loudness. Bad production somehow = not loud enough.

Nirvana didn't hate Butch Vig's production at all. They hated what Andy Wallace did to it in mixing. He gave it that moody tinge when he mixed it through some effects and made it sound like the late 80's.

But anyhow, name an influential band/artist that wasn't responsible for a lot of shitty music being spawned by moronic clones and people that didn't understand the message or true spirit of the original. Ever heard of The Beatles? or Led Zeppelin? Or The Ramones? Why "crown them for it"?
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Old 09-28-2011, 02:50 PM   #79
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But anyhow, name an influential band/artist that wasn't responsible for a lot of shitty music being spawned by moronic clones and people that didn't understand the message or true spirit of the original. Ever heard of The Beatles? or Led Zeppelin? Or The Ramones? Why "crown them for it"?
I don't. I'm sure I've made the argument in the past that the Beatles are the most important and significant "rock" band of all time because of their influence, but that isn't why I like them, and I would never use that argument to convince someone to listen to them, unless they like directly similar artists. From a purely objective standpoint, I realize that Nirvana was a very important band, but that hasn't convinced me to love them. All too often people bring up influence in otherwise subjective arguments, and it's always a waste of time.
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Old 09-28-2011, 03:34 PM   #80
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Led Zeppelin - IV
The Who - Who's Next
The Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers
David Bowie - Hunky Dory
Black Sabbath - Master of Reality
Can - Tago Mago
Marvin Gaye - What's Going On
Leonard Cohen - Songs of Love and Hate
Joni Mitchell - Blue
Allman Brothers Band - At Fillmore East
Miles Davis - Tribute to Jack Johnson
Serge Gainsbourg - Histoire de Melody Nelson
Funkadelic - Maggot Brain
T. Rex - Electric Warrior
Yes - Fragile
Yes - The Yes Album
Sly and the Family Stone - There's a Riot Goin On
The Doors - LA Woman
Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame (what a great year for John McLaughlin!)
Caravan - In The Land of Grey and Pink
Genesis - Nursery Cryme
Roy Harper - Stormcock
Paul McCartney - Ram
John Lennon - Imagine
Alice Cooper - Killer
Alice Cooper - Love It To Death
Carole King - Tapestry
John Prine - John Prine
Gene Clark - White Light
Santana - III
Janis Joplin - Pearl
Rod Stewart - Every Picture Tells A Story
Gil Scott-Heron - Pieces of a Man
Cat Stevens - Teaser And The Firecat
The Kinks - Muswell Hillbillies
Elton John - Madman Across The Water
Faces - A Nod Is As Good As A Wink...To A Blind Horse
Van Morrissey - Tupelo Honey
The Beach Boys - Surf's Up
Harry Nilsson - Nilsson Schmilsson
Badfinger - Straight Up
Todd Rundgren - The Ballad of Todd Rundgren

Sorry, other years. You lose.
Absofuckinglutely.

I was down on the 70s for awhile because those were my serious radio-listening days and I was just sick of it.

Recently I've gotten nostalgic about it again and realize how lucky I was to have grown up with this stuff. And that the best music was actually what was played on the radio.
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Old 09-28-2011, 05:47 PM   #81
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From a purely objective standpoint, I realize that Nirvana was a very important band, but that hasn't convinced me to love them. All too often people bring up influence in otherwise subjective arguments, and it's always a waste of time.
Definitely. Influence and musical quality are very different things that are too often conflated.
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Old 09-28-2011, 11:13 PM   #82
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Funny thing is, I think Use Your Illusion I stands alone as a great album, while practically all the double album filler is on II. I'd keep Civil War/Yesterdays/You Could Be Mine (maybe trade out Estranged for November Rain) and just trash the rest.
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No.

Locomotive is better than anything on UYI 1, which has way more filler than 2.

Also, Breakdown, So Fine, and 14 Years are all great.
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Naw, Locomotive and Breakdown are overlong messes that go nowhere. This is coming from someone who loves Coma.

So Fine out shmaltzes even Patience to take the crown of cheesiest GNR ballad. Axl made a tactical blunder in relaxing his dictatorial grip to let Duff sing one. Almost as bad as that shitty song on Mellon Collie with the James Iha vocals.
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Naw, Locomotive and Breakdown are overlong messes that go nowhere. This is coming from someone who loves Coma.

So Fine out shmaltzes even Patience to take the crown of cheesiest GNR ballad. Axl made a tactical blunder in relaxing his dictatorial grip to let Duff sing one. Almost as bad as that shitty song on Mellon Collie with the James Iha vocals.

I'm not sure if I agree with this statement, but it's definitely funny. I think he slipped up and let Izzy sing a few too.
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Naw, Locomotive and Breakdown are overlong messes that go nowhere. This is coming from someone who loves Coma.

So Fine out shmaltzes even Patience to take the crown of cheesiest GNR ballad. Axl made a tactical blunder in relaxing his dictatorial grip to let Duff sing one. Almost as bad as that shitty song on Mellon Collie with the James Iha vocals.
They go nowhere? Both have pretty big finishes. That piano section at the end of Locomotive is one of the band's finest moments.

Also, god forbid some other personalities get a chance to do something. Duff isn't the vocalist that Axl is but his song has a rugged charm, and musically it's got a nice retro vibe.
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Old 09-30-2011, 10:25 AM   #87
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they shouldve made a triple cd set , more guns the better , so it was a big wonderful mess , more sounds , more axl , more duff , more slash , more izzy , more sorum
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yeh def agreed ther m8
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