Girls shouldn't ask guys out... or should they?

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Interesting thread.

I think the problem is there are alot of stereotypes being thrown out here. The bottom line is whatever works for the people involved. Its about what the individuals involved feel comfortable with. I dont think there is anything wrong with a girl asking a guy out, no more than there is a guy asking a girl out. Why is it any different either way?
 
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Girls who aren't afraid to ask you out=:drool:

will you go out with me? :wink:

Chizip said:
It's the guy that agonizes over it for a while before finally working up the nerve to ask you out is the one that truly cares for you the most.

so you're saying a confident guy isn't as capable of caring about a woman as a shy one? nonsense. i've been out with guys who have asked me out the first time they met me, and guys who waited weeks or even months to ask. i never felt that any one of them cared about me more than another based on the length of time it took to ask me out.

there is, however, a certain charm in a guy who takes his time.

but blue room is right, it all comes down to what each individual is comfortable with.
 
Windmilllane said:
*crickets*

See, woman complain that guys are too shy or scared to ask them out. But when we do, they reject us.

If I really liked the guy, and he finally worked up the nerve to ask me out, I'd accept. I'd now know what his feelings about me are, for one thing, and for another, hey, my crush wants to go out with me! Why on earth would I pass that opportunity up?

Windmilllane[/i] [B]Anyway said:
Moral: Just ask her/him. :yes:

...oh, how I wish I'd gotten up the courage to do that in 11th grade...:sigh:. I spent the entire year crushing on a senior, and always wondering what his thoughts on me were...I should've just asked. But I didn't. Not because I thought the guy should do the asking, though-I have asked a guy out before. Granted, he was just a friend of mine, but I have done it. So that concept didn't bother me.

No, I didn't do it because I was far too shy. And, of course, I didn't want to be rejected. But your entire post, Sherry, shows a positive aspect to rejection, so I'll keep that in mind the next time I get a crush on a guy and the rejection fear creeps back into my mind.

Blue Room said:
I think the problem is there are alot of stereotypes being thrown out here. The bottom line is whatever works for the people involved. Its about what the individuals involved feel comfortable with. I dont think there is anything wrong with a girl asking a guy out, no more than there is a guy asking a girl out. Why is it any different either way?

Agree wholeheartedly with this :yes: :up:.

Angela
 
I think people should just do what they feel comfortable with. I don't think a guy should ask a girl out or a girl shouldn't ask a guy out. It just depends on what type of people they are.

I would never have asked someone out before, suggesting going for drinks in a phone call was a huge deal for me. I can be very shy in certain situations. Then one day I met someone who I really liked. I had decided if he hadn't said or done anything by a certain day I would have said something myself. I didn't need to say anything in the end but I think sometimes you can meet someone and you suddenly backtrack on all your opinions of who should ask who out and get over any awkwardness you might have had in similar situations before.
 
Most of these comments kinda go exactly into my postion now.
However i'm not sure your the other side feels the same. (I know...How orginal?) Flase hope comes to mind......
I dont think its fear of that two word letter starting with N...but getting confidence to ask at all.
I'm way to shy, and thats my problem.....

I shall quote the famous singer from an Irish band here " I could never take a chance" :(
 
bono_man2002 said:
Most of these comments kinda go exactly into my postion now.
However i'm not sure your the other side feels the same. (I know...How orginal?) Flase hope comes to mind......
I dont think its fear of that two word letter starting with N...but getting confidence to ask at all.
I'm way to shy, and thats my problem.....

I shall quote the famous singer from an Irish band here " I could never take a chance" :(


Aw :hug: so how well do you know this person? Is this someone you were friends with before you started feeling this way?
 
{paintedroses} said:



Aw :hug: so how well do you know this person? Is this someone you were friends with before you started feeling this way?

Where Do I Start.......
Known her for a few years, probably really only became friends since the start of this year.
I've tried to ask.....but I just can't.......
Even if it is only false Hope, I've tried to let go.....But I can't
 
bono_man2002 said:


Where Do I Start.......
Known her for a few years, probably really only became friends since the start of this year.
I've tried to ask.....but I just can't.......
Even if it is only false Hope, I've tried to let go.....But I can't

Don't let go! Do you think she's quite a shy person about these things too? If you really really like her but can't bring yourself to ask her out, how about writing her a letter explaining how you feel? If you don't do something soon you might never know. :(
Has either of you given any hints of liking the other?
 
{paintedroses} said:


Don't let go! Do you think she's quite a shy person about these things too? If you really really like her but can't bring yourself to ask her out, how about writing her a letter explaining how you feel? If you don't do something soon you might never know. :(
Has either of you given any hints of liking the other?

No, I think she's quite the opposite to what I am about these things. (Has been out with someone before)
Though, I dont know, that may not be the case.

A Letter?, sounds like a good idea....I would know what to put, but not how to put it.....trying to give it to her, now thats another thing.

I've dropped little hints, though I dont think they were taken seriously.
 
bono_man2002 said:


No, I think she's quite the opposite to what I am about these things. (Has been out with someone before)
Though, I dont know, that may not be the case.

A Letter?, sounds like a good idea....I would know what to put, but not how to put it.....trying to give it to her, now thats another thing.

I've dropped little hints, though I dont think they were taken seriously.

Yeah it is a lot easier said than done.. :hmm:
Can I ask how old you are? (you don't have to answer!) I guess you have her phone number? I don't know what to suggest, there's no easy way of asking her out or letting her know how you feel when you have no idea how she feels back. Maybe try dropping more hints and try and get some feedback on her part! :)
 
{paintedroses} said:


Yeah it is a lot easier said than done.. :hmm:
Can I ask how old you are? (you don't have to answer!) I guess you have her phone number? I don't know what to suggest, there's no easy way of asking her out or letting her know how you feel when you have no idea how she feels back. Maybe try dropping more hints and try and get some feedback on her part! :)

I'm 18 next month, Yes I also have her number, and on MSN.
I just have to loose this "shyness" :)
 
JessicaAnn said:


So the fear of rejection is greater than the possibility that she might actually say yes?

That's what I've been thinking as I read all the posts that cite the fear of rejection.

Noone likes to be rejected, but it's not the end of the world. I'm as insecure as the next person but how boring would my life be if I didn't take a chance every once in a while? Pretty boring, let me tell you.
 
WildHoneyAlways said:


I'm as insecure as the next person but how boring would my life be if I didn't take a chance every once in a while? Pretty boring, let me tell you.

I have asked guys out, been rejected and lived to tell the tale.

I have also been so terrified to ask a guy out that fear won out and someone else came along and asked him out.

Sure rejection sucks (especially when you have builtup the girl and the possibility of a date up in your mind), but at least you have put yourself out there and tried.
 
JessicaAnn said:


So the fear of rejection is greater than the possibility that she might actually say yes?

It shouldnt be. I think it also depends on the circumstances. IE: If the person is someone you work with, there is way more to risk either way. So most would be more hesitant to put themselves out there in a work situation. If you are rejected, you get to see that person all the time, which could be uncomfortable. Its something you dont want in your work environment. So the fear becomes even more elevated. To the point where the person would not want to risk being rejected.

Put what you are saying toward the female asking the guy out. Why is it the guys sole responsibility to put themselves out there?
 
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Blue Room said:


It shouldnt be. I think it also depends on the circumstances also. If the person is someone you work with, there is way more to risk either way. So most would more hesitant to put themselves out there in a work situation. If you are rejected, you get to see that person all the time, which could be uncomfortable. Its something you dont want in your work environment.

Put what you are saying toward the female asking the guy out. Why is it the guys sole responsibility to put themselves out there?

I completely agree with the work environment thing -- with sexual harrassment laws, among other things -- dating and work are incredibly complicated.

I never said that it's only the guy's responsibility to do the initial asking out. My point was that if a guy likes a girl enough, and is truly interested in getting to know her (and not just out for a cheap thrill), he will ask her out.

After further consideration, I still feel that way, but I also think that the whole fear of a rejection thing for guys (and girls) can have something to do with age and the amount of dating experience a person has had. Of course when you're young and haven't had many dates or real relationships, asking someone out can be extremely nerve wracking.

It was for me when I was younger.

But I think as we mature and come to realize who and what we really want in terms of long-term relationships, my statement really comes into play.
 
I don't think it's the guys' responsibility to put themselves out there, not at all. And I sympathize completely w/ and understand fear of rejection.

Honestly I don't get interested in many guys and when I do and actually put myself out there (which is so tough for me) it's always something along the lines of "I think you're great but..(the but is not always actually said, etc). Whatever the reason for that, bottom line is I'd rather be alone than deal with that, it hurts way too much.
 
JessicaAnn said:


I completely agree with the work environment thing -- with sexual harrassment laws, among other things -- dating and work are incredibly complicated.

My boyfriend and I met at work, so we had to tread carefully, as it was a gray area. Plus, he was a manager there. I was the one who asked him out...but we had kissed in the parking lot the previous night, so I had a feeling he'd say yes. :wink:

I asked him how come he hadn't asked me out first, and he said he didn't want to look too eager. Apparently, I had no problem with that! :laugh:
 
JessicaAnn said:


I completely agree with the work environment thing -- with sexual harrassment laws, among other things -- dating and work are incredibly complicated.

I never said that it's only the guy's responsibility to do the initial asking out. My point was that if a guy likes a girl enough, and is truly interested in getting to know her (and not just out for a cheap thrill), he will ask her out.

After further consideration, I still feel that way, but I also think that the whole fear of a rejection thing for guys (and girls) can have something to do with age and the amount of dating experience a person has had. Of course when you're young and haven't had many dates or real relationships, asking someone out can be extremely nerve wracking.

It was for me when I was younger.

But I think as we mature and come to realize who and what we really want in terms of long-term relationships, my statement really comes into play.

I agree about the maturity part of it. The older you get, it becomes less of a big deal. I think that fear is always there to a certain degree though. No one likes to be rejected, its an awkward embarrassing feeling for most. But you get to a point where you dont let it determine whether or not you ask someone out.

Regarding the references to the book about he's not that into you. I havent read it, but what I can gather from what some of you are saying it basically indicates if the guy isnt showing interest in you, he doesnt want to date you. If this is the case (which it may not be, like I said, havent read it). It could very well be he isnt interested. But its also possible he has no idea that the girl is even interested in him and hasnt thought of the girl that way. I can give you a personal example. I recently ran into a friend from high school. We got on the discussion of who dated who in high school and where they were at. She basically told me of 2 girls that she knew were interested in me back then. I had no clue and if I had I would have been interested in going out with them. So you just never know.

I think regardless of gender, if you really like someone that much where you think about it alot. You should test the waters at least. Most of the time you can get a good idea if someone is interested in you without putting it completely out there by asking the person out. But you have to put yourself out there a little or you will never know.
 
For the men ... here is Chapter 1 of "He's Just Not That Into You." It appeared on USA Today's website.



Excerpt from 'He's Just Not That Into You'
By Greg Behrendt and Liz Tuccillo


Chapter One: he's just not that into you if he's not asking you out

Because if he likes you, trust me, he will ask you out

Many women have said to me, "Greg, men run the world." Wow. That makes us sound pretty capable. So tell me, why would you think we could be incapable of something as simple as picking up the phone and asking you out? You seem to think at times that we're "too shy" or we "just got out of something." Let me remind you: Men find it very satisfying to get what they want. (Particularly after a difficult day of running the world.) If we want you, we will find you. If you don't think you gave him enough time to notice you, take the time it took you to notice him and divide it by half.

Now you begin the life-changing experience of reading our book. We have put the stories we have heard and questions we've been asked in a simple question-and-answer format. If you're lucky, you'll read the following questions and know what they are: Excuses that women have made for their unsatisfying situations. If you're not so lucky, we've also included handy titles to clue you in.

The "Maybe He Doesn't Want to Ruin the Friendship" Excuse

Dear Greg,

I'm so disappointed. I have this friend that I've known platonically for about ten years. He lives in a different city and recently he was in town for work, so we met for dinner. All of a sudden it felt like we were on a date. He was completely flirting with me. He even said to me, as he was checking me out, "So, what, you're working the whole 'model thing' now?" (That's flirting, right?) We both agreed that we should get together again soon. Well, Greg, I'm disappointed because it's been two weeks and he hasn't called me. Can I call him? He might be nervous about turning the friendship into romance. Can't I give him a nudge now? Isn't that what friends are for?

Jodi

Dear Friendly Girl,

Two weeks is two weeks, except when it's ten years and two weeks. That's how long ago he decided whether or not he could date a model or a girl who looks like one. Can you be a pal and give him a nudge? Nudge away, friendster — but watch how fast that nudge doesn't get a return phone call. And if your dinner/date did feel different to him, it's been two weeks and he's had time to think about it and decide he's just not that into you. Here's the truth: Guys don't mind messing up a friendship if it could lead to sex, whether it be a "(expletive) buddy" situation or a meaningful romance. Go find someone that lives in your zip code who will be rocked to the core by your deep conversation and model looks.

I hate to tell you, but that whole "I don't want to ruin the friendship" excuse is a racket. It works so well because it seems so wise. Sex could mess up a friendship. Unfortunately, in the entire history of mankind, that excuse has never ever been used by someone who actually means it. If we're really excited about someone, we can't stop ourselves — we want more. If we're friends with someone and attracted to them, we're going to want to take it further. And please, don't tell me he's just "scared." The only thing he's scared of — and I say this with a lot of love — is how not attracted to you he is.

The "Maybe He's Intimidated by Me" Excuse

Dear Greg,

I have a crush on my gardener. He's been potting the plants on my patio. It was hot, I saw him without his shirt on, he was hot, and now I'm hot for him. I brought out some beers and we talked. I think he wants to ask me out but is afraid, because he is my hired man. In this situation, can't I ask him out?

Cherie

Dear My Secret Garden,

He's capable of asking you out. Haven't you ever seen a porno? Hope he gets there before the pizza guy. But seriously, if he didn't pick up the vibe after the beer garden, it has nothing to do with you being his big boss lady. Time to stop and smell the bad news: He's just not that into you.

Let me say it again, sexual harassment rules and workplace memos notwithstanding, a guy will ask out a woman of higher status if he's into her. He might need a little more encouragement than normal, I'll give you that. You might have to lead Johnny the Office Boy or Phillipe the Exterminator to water, but you better not help him ask you out. Once again, ladies, a wink and a smile will do it.

By the way, why are you dating the exterminator?

Just kidding, he's a good guy.

The "Maybe He Wants to Take It Slow" Excuse

Dear Greg,

There's this guy who calls me all the time. He's recently divorced, and in AA. We got back in touch recently, had lots of phone calls, and then hung out twice in one week and it was real cool. No flirting or making out or anything, but fun. Since then, he calls me all the time but doesn't ever suggest we see each other in person again. It's like he got scared or something. I would understand if because of the divorce/alcoholic/starting-a-whole-new-life stuff he wanted to take things slow. But he still calls me all the time to have long heart-to-heart talks. What the hell should I do with this guy?

Jen

Dear Pillow Talk,

Sadly, not wanting to see you in person is massive as far as dating obstacles go. And as far as the recently divorced/newly sober/starting-a-new-life parts, blah blah blah, I'm getting sleepy, it's hot, I'm going down for a nap. When I wake up from that nap I'll probably thrill to the news that your friend is taking control of his life. You, however, will still not be going on a date, because despite all your excuses for him, he's still not asking you out. Now, if you're a person who enjoys a slightly satisfying phone relationship, talk on! But at this point it seems like he's just not that into you. Be his friend if you're at all interested on that level, but move your romantic inclinations onto a more suitable future husband.

If a guy truly likes you, but for personal reasons he needs to take things slow, he will let you know that immediately. He won't keep you guessing, because he'll want to make sure you don't get frustrated and go away.

The "But He Gave Me His Number" Excuse

Dear Greg,

I met a really cute guy at a bar this week. He gave me his number and told me to give him a call sometime. I thought that was kind of cool, that he gave me control of the situation like that. I can call him, right?

Lauren

Dear Control Freak,

Did he give you control, or did he just get you to do the heavy lifting? What he just did was a magic trick: It seems like he gave you control, but really he now gets to decide if he wants to go out with you — or even return your call. Why don't you take Copperfield's number, roll it in a newspaper, pour milk in it, and make it disappear.

"Give me a call." "E-mail me." "Tell Joey we should all hang out sometime." Don't let him trick you into asking him out. When men want you, they do the work. I know it sounds old school, but when men like women, they ask them out.

The "Maybe He Forgot to Remember Me" Excuse

Dear Greg,

Okay, Greg. Listen to this one: I was at a conference for work and met a guy from another branch of my company. We hit it off immediately. He was just about to ask for my number, I swear, when the Big Blackout of 2003 happened. In the mayhem, I didn't get to give him my number. I think the Big Blackout of 2003 is a good enough excuse to call him, don't you think? It's only common courtesy for me to check up on him, right? If I don't call, he's probably going to be all sad thinking that I'm just not that into him.

Judy

Dear Judy Blackout,

The city blacked out. He didn't. You said you work for different branches of the same company. Certainly he wouldn't have to break a sweat to scroll through the company staff roster or interoffice e-mail listing to find you. And should he not be as resourceful as you are...I imagine that he has a mother, sister, or female friend that could show him how, if he was really interested.

P.S.: Shame on you for using an eastern seaboard disaster as an excuse to call a guy up.

Have faith. You made an impression. Leave it at that. If he likes you, he'll still remember you after the tsunami, flood, or Red Sox loss. If he doesn't, he's not worth your time. Know why? You are great. (Now, don't get cocky.)

The "Maybe I Don't Want to Play Games" Excuse

Dear Greg,

This is dumb. I know you're not supposed to call guys, but I call guys all the time because I don't care! I don't want to play games. I do whatever I want! I've called guys tons of times. You're such a square, Greg. Why do you think we can't call guys and ask them out?

Nikki

Dear Nikki,

Because we don't like it. Okay, some guys might like it, but they're just lazy. And who wants to go out with Lazy Guy? It's that simple. I didn't make the rules and I might not even agree with them. Please don't be mad at me, Nikki. I'm not advocating that women go back to the Stone Age. I just think you might want to be realistic in how capable you are of changing the primordial impulses that drive all of human nature.

Or maybe you're the chosen one.

Men, for the most part, like to pursue women. We like not knowing if we can catch you. We feel rewarded when we do. Especially when the chase is a long one. We know there was a sexual revolution. (We loved it.) We know women are capable of running governments, heading multinational corporations, and raising loving children — sometimes all at the same time. That, however, doesn't make men different.

IT'S SO SIMPLE

Imagine right now that I'm leaping up and down and shaking my fist at the sky. I'm on my knees pleading with you. I'm saying this in a loud voice: "Please, if you can trust one thing I say in this book, let it be this: When it comes to men, deal with us as we are, not how you'd like us to be." I know it's an infuriating concept — that men like to chase and you have to let us chase you. I know. It's insulting. It's frustrating. It's unfortunately the truth. My belief is that if you have to be the aggressor, if you have to pursue, if you have to do the asking out, nine times out of ten, he's just not that into you. (And we want you to believe you're one of the nine, ladies!) I can't say it loud enough: You, the superfox reading this book, are worth asking out.

HERE'S WHY THIS ONE IS HARD, by Liz

Well, it's obvious. Are you telling us that we have to just sit around and wait? I don't know about you, but I find that infuriating. I was brought up to believe that hard work and good planning are the keys to making your dreams come true. I spent my life making things happen for myself. I worked hard for my career, and was quite aggressive about it. I called people, made appointments, asked for favors. I took action. But now Greg is telling us that in this situation, we are supposed to do absolutely nothing. The guys get to pick. We're just supposed to put on our little dresses and do our hair and bat our eyes and hope they choose us. Why don't you just tie my corset too tight so I can faint in front of some man who'll scoop me out of the way just before the horse-drawn carriage runs over me? That'll get his attention.

Really, in this day and age, the hardest thing to do for many women, particularly me, is nothing. We like to scheme, make phone calls, have a plan. And I'm talking about more than just making sure our hair doesn't frizz. Most women who date, I would guess, don't have men throwing themselves at them every night of the week. Sometimes there's a long stretch during which nobody's asking us out. So when we see a guy that we feel might be a romantic possibility, it's even harder for us to take a backseat. That opportunity might not come back again for a long time.

But guess what: My way? Has sucked. Hasn't worked at all. I've never had a successful relationship with a guy that I've pursued. I'm sure there are many stories out there to the contrary. But for me, those guys end up getting back together with their ex-girlfriend, needing to take some time for themselves, or going out of town for business. Usually it doesn't even get that far. They usually just don't ever return my phone call. And let me tell you, that didn't make me feel very in control of anything.

Since I've been implementing Greg's handy-dandy "he's just not that into you" philosophy, I've been feeling surprisingly more powerful. Because if the men are asking you out, if the men have to get your attention, then you, in fact, are the one in control. There's no scheming and plotting. And there is something great about knowing that my only job is to be as happy as I can be about my life, and feel as good as I can about myself, and to lead as full and eventful a life as I can, so that it doesn't ever feel like I'm just waiting around for some guy to ask me out. And most importantly, it's good for us all to remember that we don't need to scheme and plot and beg to get someone to ask us out. We're fantastic.

THIS IS WHAT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE, by Greg

One night I was drinking in a bar and flirting with the bartender. I asked for her number. She said, "I don't give out my phone number because guys rarely call me when they say they're going to. My name is Lindsey Adams, and if you want to call me, find my phone number." Which I did — the very next day. Do you know how many Lindsey Adams there are in the phone book of a major city? Let's just say I talked to about eight or nine before I found mine.

An actor we work with met a girl while he was making a public appearance on an aircraft carrier. He lost track of her in about ten minutes. And yet, because he was so smitten, he somehow managed to track her down in the army, and they are now married.

GREG, I GET IT! By Leslie, age 29

Greg! I get it. I went to this party and I met this guy. We started talking immediately by ourselves, off in a corner. He asked if I was single and seemed pleased when I said I was. Whenever we split up to talk to other people, or to get drinks or whatever, he always kept his eye on me. It was really cool. I was all excited and fluttery with that "Oh my God, I think I just met someone!" feeling. He didn't ask for my number, but we know lots of people in common, so I thought he was just playing it cool. He never called me! And you know what? Normally I would call our mutual friends and start fishing and trying to figure out what happened and maybe try to find another way to see him again. But instead, I'm just going to move on! Who cares what his deal is. He's not asking me out, so why should I start obsessing over him? I'm just going to go out tonight and try to meet someone else.

IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE GREG

We did an incredibly unscientific poll where we polled twenty of our male friends (ranging from ages twenty-six to forty-five), who are in serious long-term relationships. Not one of their relationships started with the woman asking them out first. One guy even said that if she had, "It would have spoiled all the fun."

What You Should Have Learned in This Chapter

•An excuse is a polite rejection. Men are not afraid of "ruining the friendship."

•Don't get tricked into asking him out. If he likes you, he'll do the asking.

•If you can find him, then he can find you. If he wants to find you, he will.

•Just because you like to lead doesn't mean he wants to dance. Some traditions are born of nature and last through time for a reason.

•"Hey, let's meet at so-and-so's party/any bar/friend's house" is not a date. Even if you live in New York.

•Men don't forget how much they like you. So put down the phone.

•You are good enough to be asked out.

Our Super-Good Really Helpful Workbook

Hey, what's a self-help tome without a workbook? Our chapters will all be so brave and wise that we want to make sure you retain as much of the brilliance as you can. So for all of you who feel the need to get out of your problems and into your crayon box, have at it.

Love,

Greg and Liz

Remember in grade school how they told you not to write in your textbooks? Screw that! Grab a pen and list five reasons why you think you have every right or good reason to call him.

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Put the book aside and wait an hour. Or at least ten minutes. Then ask yourself: Do I seem pathetic? Do I sound like someone who doesn't trust my own innate hotness? Yes,you do! Now put your dialing finger away, get out of the house, and go find some fun.

P.S.: You just did a workbook exercise about a guy who hasn't even extended to you the energy of a phone call. Why would you want to chase that down?

So what do you think of it? Is it a load of poppycock or is there truth to it.
 
i only read the bulleted points at the end, but this line alone "Don't get tricked into asking him out. If he likes you, he'll do the asking" makes me think it's a lot of poppycock.

Saying a girl asking a guy out is spoiling all the fun? :huh:

Don't get tricked into asking him out??? If you like a guy, freaking ask him out, sheesh. It seems like the book is making the dating scene out to be a big game, and I don't think playing games is the best way to start a relationship. There should be no "tricking people" into asking you out, and you shouldn't be worried about who has more "control." How about you just tell each other how you honestly feel and go from there?
 
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I guess it "spoils all the "fun" because you can't f someone over emotionally or something

Do they have a "she's not just that into you"? This seems like a bunch of stereotypes and silly games to me.

I don't know, maybe there is more truth to that than poppycock and that's part of the real problem. Seems to me honesty would be much easier and take much less effort.
 
Chizip said:
i only read the bulleted points at the end, but this line alone "Don't get tricked into asking him out. If he likes you, he'll do the asking" makes me think it's a lot of poppycock.

Saying a girl asking a guy out is spoiling all the fun? :huh:

Don't get tricked into asking him out??? If you like a guy, freaking ask him out, sheesh. It seems like the book is making the dating scene out to be a big game, and I don't think playing games is the best way to start a relationship. There should be no "tricking people" into asking you out, and you shouldn't be worried about who has more "control." How about you just tell each other how you honestly feel and go from there?

I certainly don't take this book or Sex and the City, or any other similar books to the final word on dating and relationships.

But I think there are glimmers of truth, particularly when it comes to reminding women that they don't have to have a man in their lives to be happy. The glimmer of truth in this book is helping girls to understand when to cut their losses and stop making excuses for Mr. "I'll Call You" when he still hasn't called after two weeks.

Also to clarify, this book isn't necessarily about two people who have not even been out on a date ... it's more about guys and girls who maybe have been on a date or two or who maybe know each other as friends or acquaintences.

As I have mentioned before I have done the asking. Sometimes it's worked and sometimes it hasn't. So allow me to turn your own words around and say to all of the guys who fear rejection (as much as us girls do):

If you like a girl, freaking ask her out, sheesh.


Chizip said:
How about you just tell each other how you honestly feel and go from there?

That happens? :wink:
 
Not often enough. Maybe I should write a book encouraging people to do just that :hmm:
 
I've read the book, enjoyed the book and given the book as a gift to a friend who desperately needed it. :wink:

I too, think there is truth to be found in it. So many women beat themselves up so much over guys it's sad. This book trys to get you to stop doing that. :up:

How about you just tell each other how you honestly feel and go from there?

Um yeah, in fantasyland maybe.... :wink:
I might just have to move there :hmm:
 
JessicaAnn said:


So the fear of rejection is greater than the possibility that she might actually say yes?

The pain of rejection is more enjoyable than the possibility of joy of acceptance.

People like misery.

I dont mean that in a cruel way. Im prone to it a bit myself. Just a comment.
 
Wow, I read those bullet points also. Honestly, the writer is generalizing ALL men into one category. Like all react and handle situations the same way. Sorry, but thats bullshit. Can you imagine if he wrote something like, all women are after money, they want you to take care of them, dont let them fool you guys. Do you think that would encapsulate all women? I have a feeling ALOT of women would be completely offended. How is what this guy saying about all men any different? Its not.

Sure there are guys that are just like the writer describes. But you know, there are women that are just as bad. Does that mean all men and women are that way. Hell no. Some guys actually do have some scruples.
 
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