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Old 10-18-2017, 03:55 AM   #16
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Well, high altitude aviation isn't really next gen, so to say. Since the pressurization of aircraft, they've pretty much always operated between 32,000 and 42,000 ft (depending on model, weather, ops, etc.).

In commercial aviation specifically, most aircraft use turbofan engines (and turbo prop, which really is just a turbofan without a casing). But that doesn't mean other tech doesn't exist. Certain military craft, for example, use typically turbojet or ramjet/scramjet technology. No point in really getting down to the differences - but for reference, the Concorde was a turbojet engine.

Higher altitude is always a better thing for a drag profile, if you're trying to decrease flight time. But it's far worse for lift. There's less "stuff" to push your wings on. There's two important relationships for aviation: lift to drag (how much are you staying afloat versus how much you're being dragged down) and power to fuel consumption (how much umph are you getting versus how much fuel you're gobbling up). Now, to complicate matters, for commercial aviation has to look at everything as "per person" and again "per day."

Things like Concorde didn't go away because they were dangerous. They went away because they were dramatically fuel inefficient and expensive to maintain. There was just no market for them. And I doubt there ever really will be a market for high altitude flight... the math typically never adds up. The fuel consumption per person per day means little when, for the same rate of fuel consumption, you can probably get 5x the amount of customers on a bigger, slower aircraft.

Amywho. Rocketry isn't really the same principle as aviation, but it is the way of the future. You can skip Concorde's 60,000 ft cruising altitude, and forget the 120,000 ft of a paper thin U2 dragon lady. But, you can also throw the idea of lift out the door. Rockets utilize escaping the earth's atmosphere entirely. Much like an ICBM, you can just launch a missile into space and put in on a trajectory where it's expected to land on a target. If you're interested in reading more about that, definitely check out Elon Musk's BFR plans. Travel times of 30 minutes anywhere in the world, really. Green technology, as well.
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Niiiiice. I have most aircraft model safety records memorized in my head. ]
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Not crash records

But I'm morbid enough to be well aware of most of those, too
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But I'm morbid enough to be well aware of most of those, too
Was the best example there was though.

You would have liked talking with my Dad if he were still alive. Worked for the FAA most of his life, started as an air traffic controller, was operations officer at Logan for a long time before moving to the regional FAA office in Burlington. My siblings and I were the first children in the Logan control tower when it was new a million years ago.
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Awesome. Being around that growing up, did you have a favorite plane?
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Awesome. Being around that growing up, did you have a favorite plane?
If we're talking model it would have been the 747.
Grew up across the harbor from Logan, one of my friends and I would sometimes hang at the beach at the end of our street, watching the approaching incoming planes and see who could identify the airline first from the tail markings/colorings. Aer Lingus was always the easiest, as soon as you could see green you knew that one.
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Well, my flying around was a combination of living overseas and studying in an international program where I lived in a few different countries over the summer. So, no rich fancy executive job, but I did get to see a lot of places!

And trust me, I get not liking it. I like the idea of it. The actual execution can sometimes be miserable.

I just got off an Air New Zealand flight from Auckland to Singapore. It's 7:20 AM and I can't check into my hotel for like forever. But it's my first time in Asia, so I'll tind some caffeine somewhere!
Provided you have the right documentation, Changi airport offers a five-hour tour of Singapore and then brings you back. You won't need a visa and it's great for long layovers.
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Provided you have the right documentation, Changi airport offers a five-hour tour of Singapore and then brings you back. You won't need a visa and it's great for long layovers.
Holy shit I didn't know that! What documentation? Perhaps I'll fly via Singapore instead (the horrifically overcrowded airport of) Dubai next time...
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I think it really depends on the country. If you're from Canada, for example, you don't need a visa for this tour. So ultimately it depends on your passport.
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If we're talking model it would have been the 747.

Grew up across the harbor from Logan, one of my friends and I would sometimes hang at the beach at the end of our street, watching the approaching incoming planes and see who could identify the airline first from the tail markings/colorings. Aer Lingus was always the easiest, as soon as you could see green you knew that one.


The haaabah. The Harbaugh. This sounds like what my friend Billy and I were doing in Nice. Much more nerdily of course... we were trying airline+model from across a bay.
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Provided you have the right documentation, Changi airport offers a five-hour tour of Singapore and then brings you back. You won't need a visa and it's great for long layovers.


Yeah Changi is quite awesome. I'm already gone, though. I opted to do an extended layover and stay a night in the city. Since I served as somewhat of a travel liaison for about six of my colleagues for six months abroad, I racked up tons of hotels.com rewards nights. I used my most expensive one to book a five stare hotel (only paid like $90 for a $350 room :3).

Singapore is a really interesting place, to say the least. And for visiting, I claim a cool little accolade: I've been to every city-state this year.
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Hey man. Much like in the @U2 closure thread, I can no longer edit "Englishman" to "Englishmen."
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And for visiting, I claim a cool little accolade: I've been to every city-state this year.
But have you been to Liechtenstein, that's the question.
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No, but I've been to Andorra.
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