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Old 04-22-2015, 04:53 PM   #706
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The Things They Carried by Tim O'Brien is fantastic.

Finally reading Fear and Loathing.
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The Things They Carried by Tim O'Brien is fantastic.

YES! I've read several of his I liked a lot. There's a second Vietnam-themed book ... something about a lake? In the Lake of the Woods, maybe? That one was excellent as well.
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Old 04-23-2015, 12:09 PM   #709
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Recently finished Norwegian Wood, my first Murakami novel, and it's probably the best thing I've read this year. Truly beautiful.

I'm now reading The Virgin Suicides, which I'm enjoying (although the first person plural narrator is too distracting at times; one of the reasons why I didn't like Then We Came to the End). Eugenides is a wonderful writer. Middlesex is a favorite of mine.

I'm also doing some reading about cooking. Ruhlman's Soul of a Chef was rather interesting (he's one of my favorite food writers now). I just got A Return to Cooking, which doubles as a food memories book and cookbook, but quite interesting.
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Old 04-23-2015, 02:36 PM   #710
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First person anything is pretty hit or miss.
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Old 04-23-2015, 03:15 PM   #711
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I'm usually not a fan. Stopped me from reading the Hunger Games for quite a while.
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Old 04-23-2015, 04:14 PM   #712
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I don't mind first person singular at all. I think you can do incredible things with it - Humbert Humbert's voice is what makes Lolita such a fantastic novel. But for first person plural, I think you lose a lot of those benefits; it's almost impossible to have a distinctive voice (which is kind of the point, the narrator becomes a Greek chorus). Anyways, it's very distracting.
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Old 04-23-2015, 06:12 PM   #713
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First person plural sounds awful. Can't think of anything I've ever read in that voice.

It's really not fair comparing anyone to Nabokov.
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My first two novels were in third-person omniscient, but I'm working in first person singular for my third and am enjoying it. Whether or not anyone else would is the issue. There are unique pitfalls to this style that I'm working hard to avoid.
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First person plural sounds awful. Can't think of anything I've ever read in that voice.

It's really not fair comparing anyone to Nabokov.
I only know of any other than these two I mentioned. There's a Faulkner short story, A Rose for Emily, written in first person plural as well.

And fair enough. That's probably the most distinctive voice in literature.
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First person anything is pretty hit or miss.

That's an odd generalization. Many fantastic novels written in that format.
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That's an odd generalization. Many fantastic novels written in that format.
Did I need to say in terms of books I've read and liked? There are a) tons of books that are written in the first person that I've never read and b) tons of books that are fantastic that I've also never read.

It's probably equally weird if I start talking shit about use of dialect or made up languages (a clockwork orange, I'm looking at you) as being along those same lines. Even some generally regarded as great novels do that nonsense, and unless it's trainspotting, it almost universally annoys the fuck out of me.
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I haven't read A Clockwork Orange, but Alex in the film actually uses Slavic words (mostly Russian ones) which is very amusing.
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Books Part V, featuring Benny Profane and the Whole Sick Crew

I don't think there's a way to explain why it drove me crazy that makes sense. And I especially don't think I'm going to be able to explain it to a guy who speaks a bunch of languages. We're so shitty here with languages other than English, and I'm a special kind of retarded when it comes to studying other languages. Like when I thought it would be interesting to take this Finnish class in college, and the professor kept getting annoyed because I would leave out any articles or present tense verb "to be," and I'd be wrong and terrible at translating stuff. He thought I was an idiot because those words were there in English, why wouldn't I put them in the Finnish version of the same sentence? And my answer was because if I was translating it to Russian, they wouldn't exist. And for some reason I've been conditioned that translate something from English to...means Russian. I got stuck on that apparently. I'm not sure it makes sense to anyone (myself included). It's stupid, but I kept doing it because I'm an idiot.

I think it would have given me less of a headache if the Russian-borrowed words had just been written in Cyrillic. Then I might not have gotten hung up on them. Or I might have, because they're not all strictly Russian words. But I swear every time I saw "horrorshow" I wanted to kill something. I probably would have hated the book less if Burgess had just co-opted French to create Alex's slang. Because then I would have just had to rely on context and not be weird about it.
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