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Old 07-22-2013, 12:19 AM   #196
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Suttree, finished.

Lord of Light, engaged.

2666 aded to the list of books to be read soon.
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Lord of Light, engaged.
Embrace R'hllor.
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How was Suttree?

So far I've read Blood Meridian and The Road from McCarthy. Blood Meridian is easily one of my favourite books with some of the best final chapters ever, although it was a fucking nightmare to read as far as language is concerned.
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Good god, McCarthy must be a bitch for a non-native speaker...he's bad enough for native speakers. But, so epic.

Suttree was probably his most comical book....definitely broader in scope character-wise......it's semi auto biographical from what I have heard.

I enjoyed it, but, it's not in the same class as the Border Trilogy or Blood Meridian.....Blood Meridian is one of my all time favorites, so brutal.
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Good god, McCarthy must be a bitch for a non-native speaker...he's bad enough for native speakers. But, so epic.
I spent more time on the dictionary than on the book itself.

But it was worth it. The pay-off alone made it worthwhile. It took months and months to get there, but I don't regret one second of it.

So you'd recommend me the Border Trilogy, eh? Is it as difficult to read as Blood Meridian was?
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Old 07-22-2013, 10:47 AM   #201
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I recommend every book the man has written. I don't recall any of those three books being harder or easier to read than Blood Meridian.

I think that for Suttree I used the dictionary more times than I had the past year for every book I read combined.
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Old 07-22-2013, 02:23 PM   #202
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My mother keeps recommending his books, I'm okay with needing a dictionary. My vocabulary had suffered at the hands (ears?) of my Neanderthal coworkers who say things like "hey, let's get us some Taco Bell, them crunchy beef burritos are dope." The only thing I'm wary of is other languages being thrown in. Am I going to need a Spanish dictionary as well? Are we talking Eliot/Pound imagist nonsense, or diversions I can essentially figure out from context? Or is that sort of thing so minimal it doesn't even warrant a concern?
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Old 07-23-2013, 02:46 AM   #203
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Blood Meridian does feature some minimal amount of Spanish. A lot of things can be taken out of context, but I did get lost a couple of times for pages, having no idea where the plot went. But it is one of the best books that I've ever read, featuring one of the most memorable villains in literature and it's definitely worth the trouble.

Although, I'd recommend The Road as an introduction to McCarthy's work. It's much easier to read than Blood Meridian, not to mention it's a great, powerful book as well.
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The Road and No Country For Old Men are still the only two I've read. I own and have been meaning to read Blood Meridian for years. Hopefully will get to it relatively soon.
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The Way to the Western Sea, by David Lavender

Another Lewis and Clark book. I need to take a break from these; four out of the last five or six books I've read have been Lewis and Clark books. Sheesh.

I liked this one. Once I got used to Lavender's crotchetiness, I liked it a lot. He treats L&c like men, incredibly brave, stout-hearted, smart, talented, and somewhat lucky, men. He argues with his sources, jumps to conclusions, and tells a good story. It's a straight-ahead, non-specialty narrative to the trip, so it would be a good book to read to get an overview of the story.
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SOON I WILL BE READING A LEWIS AND CLARK BOOK MARTHA.

As for Cormac, kids, to me, the best place to start at the beginning....I've read everything he's written but wish I'd have read the in order, because even for a giant like him, there's room for growth and it shows as you go along. No Country and The Road are great books so starting there could never be wrong....but my advice would begin at the beginning.

Mofo, read Blood Meridian.
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I will.
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No, you won't. Liar.
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I got a question for everyone: is it imperative for you to like the main character in order to enjoy a book?

I saw this essay on HuffPo about how readers today seem to want to relate to the main character.

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And so we return to the question of whether fictional protagonists need to be relatable in order for readers to enjoy ourselves. If relatable merely means likable, then I think the answer is no: many classic fictional heroes and heroines, including Catherine Earnshaw in Emily Bronte's Wuthering Heights and Rodion Raskolnikov in Fyodor Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment, are not particularly likable. But if we expand our definition of "relatable" to mean psychologically plausible, then I think the answer is yes. We may not always like, or even approve of, fictional protagonists like selfish Catherine and obsessive Raskolnikov. But I think we have much to gain from learning to recognize reflections of ourselves in them, even -- or perhaps especially -- when we want to deny any resemblances. There are, of course, many other good reasons to read literature: for entertainment, for instruction, for inspiration. But from the 18th century onward, novels have shown themselves to be remarkably effective, durable technologies for encouraging us to extend our understanding to others, no matter how different or unlikable they might initially appear. And if that isn't a good reason to pick up a good book, then I don't know what is.
Evan Gottlieb: Do We Need to Identify With a Protagonist to Enjoy a Novel?

I'm the kind of reader who needs a "psychologically plausible" character than someone who I would want in my everyday life. I have considered putting down books because of characters I didn't like, but there were other reasons to continue reading besides them. There's more to a book rather than the main character, to me at least.

So, what's everyone's criteria?
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For me I don't have to like the character but if the author is forcefully trying to get me to like an unlikeable character then I have to put the book down and start enjoying my life. War and Peace was an example where I couldn't get into any of the characters or their situations after 600 pages and was glad to just let go of it despite it's stature as one of the greatest novels.

If the author is creating an unlikeable character to show a lesson or moral or some kind of insight (Crime and Punishment/Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde/Notes from the underground) I will really enjoy it.
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