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Old 06-23-2010, 09:47 PM   #1
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Back problems, medical info and sharing advise

Some of us. Myself included. Went off topic. In the ETYKIW, thread on Bono's recent surgery.

Since there are a few members who have suffered back injury. That this would be a better sub-forum. To ask questions, and to share some advise.

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I'll start.

Some of you probably know that I had a back injury. Similar to Bono's. While training in the Martial Arts. Though, my lumbar disc bulged, thank God. It didn't fragment.

I would like to share something that helps my back muscles to remain strong. Swimming! I even do the back strengthening PT in water. I find not only is this relaxing. But, I don't have to worry about muscle strain. Or re-injury of the weakened ligament and disc.

I'm not a doctor of course. But, my DR. said this is the best thing you can do for your back.

Everyone is certainly welcome to come here and discuss back and or knee issues. Ask each other questions. It is a way that we can support and help each other.
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This is a good idea. Last summer, out of the blue I started having severe back pain then it started to spasm and I wasn't able after several days to get out of bed. Unemployed, no health insurance. It got so bad a friend called 911 and paramedics took me to hospital where I was kept overnight and a battery of tests were done. I had an ovarian cyst but there was no sign of it having ruptured or any leakage and I Was told it would likely dissipate on its own, but somehow the pain got tangled up with back issues and I've never been the same since. Long story short, I was diagnosed with a spinal disease known as DISH (Difuse Idiopathic Skeletal Hyperotosis) with IVP (Intervertebral Vacuum Phenomenon) @ L2-3 & L4-5, protuberant anterior osteophytes at all levels from lower thoracic spine to L-4. I was put on Disability where I remain, I applied for SS Disability (for long term) in January and there is yet to be a ruling to that claim. Meanwhile, I have good and bad days, I take a lot of medication when my back spasms or for my arthritis and RA which my body has become racked with. I spent several weeks in bed unable to move but slowly was able to get up and move about. Simple things like cleaning, doing laundry or even driving can be quite painful. Without health insurance it's been difficult to "heal" since I cannot afford PT or any further treatment. I've been seen by several doctors and told the DISH won't ever get better, but that it *can* be managed. I hate taking muscle relaxers and anti inflammatory meds as too much upsets my stomach that then affects my appetite and general well being. I feel a mess most days but take things one day at a time.

Soon I am moving to an apt community where they have whirlpools and a gym and a lovely oasis-type pool area offering twice weekly water aerobics classes which I am really looking forward to as all of these things, in moderation, will greatly help me. I will be in warmer weather as well so the cold weather shouldn't affect my bones and joints as much.

I try to self-"medicate" enjoying warm showers, trying to exercise as often as I'm able with use of a cane and I've had to rely on things like walker, toilet riser, shower chair and use wheelchairs at times which has been difficult to get used to. I fidget a lot as I'm unable to sit, stand or walk for long periods without having to move just to try to remain comfortable. The worst part is dodging people in crowds which is dangerous when it hurts to stand and walk! Waiting in lines is also difficult so I sit down a lot.

A good doctor, physical therapy and exercise are all key. I'd like to hear from others who have had success with water exercises and how it helped them.

I feel for Bono. Back issues and back pain in itself are not fun to deal with.
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I feel for you, too, sweetie. I am so sorry to hear what you are going through.
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Thanks. Like I said, back pain and back ailments ain't no joke. Hoping more people post in this thread
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Same here......I was hoping that some from the Bono back surgery thread in ETYKIW. Will post. I sent PMS. One of the posters seemed to have quite a bit of medical expertise. In regards to back problems and surgery. I hope that he comes here.
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Oh I hope so as well! Positive thinking!
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Carek, if I am not being too personal. Do you live in the U.S? My PM was answered. And he may be able to recommend a good specialist. You don't have to post it here, if you don't want too. You can send me a PM.
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Carek, which state do you live in?

I'm a student Chiropractor. All of our schools in the U.S. have clinics where we do our clinical hours. These clinics are intended for the community, and can provide treatment for people anywhere from $0-15 per session, depending on the school. This rate is regardless of insurance. The catch is that you are treated by a clinician supervised student intern, but in turn you get great care for a low rate.

If you are willing to share your state, I can look for nearby clinics for you where you can get treated, if you'd like.

Also one thing to remember is muscles help to maintain spinal alignment. You know this by feeling relief from certain physical therapies and exercises. I'd also like to add that massage therapy can also benefit, as well as acupuncture. Some chiropractic college clinics offer these 2 services as well.
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Thank you Unico! And best of luck with your career. I have the greatest respect for those who work in the field of medicine. You folks, are the real "rock stars!"

Carek,

Here is a little information from a website Medicine Net. Com

"As for nutritional measures, it is known that oils of fish contain omega-3 fatty acids. Which, can provide additional antiinflammatory effects that might reduce some of the symptoms of DISH. They can be purchased at any pharmacy or health food store."
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This is a good idea. Last summer, out of the blue I started having severe back pain then it started to spasm and I wasn't able after several days to get out of bed. Unemployed, no health insurance. It got so bad a friend called 911 and paramedics took me to hospital where I was kept overnight and a battery of tests were done. I had an ovarian cyst but there was no sign of it having ruptured or any leakage and I Was told it would likely dissipate on its own, but somehow the pain got tangled up with back issues and I've never been the same since. Long story short, I was diagnosed with a spinal disease known as DISH (Difuse Idiopathic Skeletal Hyperotosis) with IVP (Intervertebral Vacuum Phenomenon) @ L2-3 & L4-5, protuberant anterior osteophytes at all levels from lower thoracic spine to L-4. I was put on Disability where I remain, I applied for SS Disability (for long term) in January and there is yet to be a ruling to that claim. Meanwhile, I have good and bad days, I take a lot of medication when my back spasms or for my arthritis and RA which my body has become racked with. I spent several weeks in bed unable to move but slowly was able to get up and move about. Simple things like cleaning, doing laundry or even driving can be quite painful. Without health insurance it's been difficult to "heal" since I cannot afford PT or any further treatment. I've been seen by several doctors and told the DISH won't ever get better, but that it *can* be managed. I hate taking muscle relaxers and anti inflammatory meds as too much upsets my stomach that then affects my appetite and general well being. I feel a mess most days but take things one day at a time.

Soon I am moving to an apt community where they have whirlpools and a gym and a lovely oasis-type pool area offering twice weekly water aerobics classes which I am really looking forward to as all of these things, in moderation, will greatly help me. I will be in warmer weather as well so the cold weather shouldn't affect my bones and joints as much.

I try to self-"medicate" enjoying warm showers, trying to exercise as often as I'm able with use of a cane and I've had to rely on things like walker, toilet riser, shower chair and use wheelchairs at times which has been difficult to get used to. I fidget a lot as I'm unable to sit, stand or walk for long periods without having to move just to try to remain comfortable. The worst part is dodging people in crowds which is dangerous when it hurts to stand and walk! Waiting in lines is also difficult so I sit down a lot.

A good doctor, physical therapy and exercise are all key. I'd like to hear from others who have had success with water exercises and how it helped them.

I feel for Bono. Back issues and back pain in itself are not fun to deal with.
Hi Carek,

I did just type you a longer response, but I was called away and timed out. poof !

I have read your post and have some suggestions that should lead you to a place of some help. I will redo it in the morning .

Your condition can be managed better than it sounds like it is, and I would be glad to help you find someone who will do that, with total consideration for your situation.

There should be some more effective ways of dealing with the pain, even if it is just for the short term. I am going to guess a level 9-10? Pain will wear you out ( as you know ) so that and what/ if anything else besides the RA/DISH is causing it , I am sure you would feel much better dealing with that.

for now, a simple exercise you can do in the pool that should be very safe (generally) would be to simply go to a depth where the water is mid chest, and walk back and forth across the pool. Low to no impact, perfect resistance for lower back. If you can walk and move around , then this should be good for you. if, as with any activity, you feel any abnormal or severe pain, stop immediately.

For now, try Motrin rather than tylenol, and make sure you eat something before hand. be carefull of the tylenol and how much you are taking. approx 3,500 mg a day is near the limit .

I will PM you in the morning.

Hang in there. You can get your life back by managing this disease. If i can find somene to help you do that, I would be more than happy to do so.

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Wow, this thread is fantastic! I am in California north county San Diego to be exact. I'm not sure I'd like chiropractic care, but am willing to try most anything as the pain and discomfort is so frustrating. I am in process of moving and am very much looking forward to the jacuzzi and water exercise class as well as the walking in the water. That is the best exercise for joints and for my situation.

Thank you all for your tips and suggestions. I will try to be in touch with Interference but may be too busy the next few days. Should have my PC set up by Thursday. I have my iPhone but may not have time. I am trying so hard to pace myself but I am in so much pain with this packing and moving process. The muscle relaxer helps me get a good night's sleep and rests my muscles so that's good. I'm also taking Ibuprofen 800. Motrin, Tylenol....nothing OTC was helping me.

I will check back when I have a chance....but thank you all, really I appreciate all the information!
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Ahh San Diego. perfect. I know 2 awesome Drs ( their words not mine, but they are ) who would be more than happy to help.

Give us a shout when you are back online.
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Benj, thanks for posting here. I know you are extremely busy. But, your advise is well appreciated.

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Benj, thanks for posting here. I know you are extremely busy. But, your advise is well appreciated.

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