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Old 10-12-2016, 05:03 AM   #706
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Oh sweet jesus this is great: Turnbull government accidentally supports Labor in second embarrassing parliamentary blunder

The government really has no idea how to manage parliament. Absolute incompetence, again.
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Old 10-12-2016, 07:08 AM   #707
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That's nice of them to stuff up like that... sorry, I tried clicking the link, but even on a relatively up-to-date laptop, that Age site is so overloaded in shit it nearly crashed me. And that's with adblocker on. Fuck them.

Short term, my friends. I predict a short term.
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Old 10-13-2016, 05:59 PM   #708
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Tony Abbott continues to be an embarrassment: Tony Abbott says Donald Trump's policies are 'reasonable enough' and his voters are not deplorables

Kieran may never find out the details, even if my relatively up-to-date computer with Adblock has no problem with Fairfax's websites.
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Old 10-15-2016, 04:45 AM   #709
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Any of you following the ACT election this evening?
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Old 10-15-2016, 06:30 AM   #710
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Tony Abbott continues to be an embarrassment: Tony Abbott says Donald Trump's policies are 'reasonable enough' and his voters are not deplorables

Kieran may never find out the details, even if my relatively up-to-date computer with Adblock has no problem with Fairfax's websites.
A loss I'm sure I'll learn to live with, however grudgingly.

Well what else is Tony Abbott going to say? It's the sort of thing he would say, isn't it? There is a trans-Altlantic/trans-global mutuality of sorts between the UK Farage right, the Trump movement and the... well, there is no Tony Abbott movement, is there. But the local hard right, anyhow.
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Old 10-15-2016, 06:31 AM   #711
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Any of you following the ACT election this evening?
Can't say I was; who's winning?
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Old 10-15-2016, 06:38 AM   #712
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All that said, the appropriate response from any journalist to Abbott in re. Donald Trump's policies would have been: "which ones? Name them."
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Can't say I was; who's winning?
There was a dearth of polling but pundits seemed convinced the ALP was going to lose (after 15 years in power) or have to stitch together minority government with a motley crossbench.

Instead there was a swing against the Libs.

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All that said, the appropriate response from any journalist to Abbott in re. Donald Trump's policies would have been: "which ones? Name them."
That would've been a hilarious response to hear.
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The ACT government is so insignificant though, it's hard to give much of a shit. But always, always it is good to register a swing against the Liberals.
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It is an unusual hybrid between a municipal council and a relatively toothless state government. But I wouldn't consider it entirely insignificant: it has proven itself capable of defying the federal government when other more powerful legislatures will not.

Zed Seselja was hilariously awful on the ABC's coverage. Who the fuck is serious when they suggest he's the future of the Liberal Party?

...wait, this is the party where Abbott, Brandis, and Dutton turned out to be the future. Shit.
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The future of the Liberal Party was Alexander Downer. In 1994. I think that's about as good as it gets.

Yeah, fair play to them, the ACT government I mean. I guess they can't help but have a role to play given where they are situated.
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Right now a party of Alexander Downer doesn't seem so awful does it. Or even a party of Peter Costello.

And I think rather poorly of both men.

I also miss the Nats of Tim Fischer.
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Right now a party of Alexander Downer doesn't seem so awful does it. Or even a party of Peter Costello.

And I think rather poorly of both men.

I also miss the Nats of Tim Fischer.

Compared to whoever (oh wait, it's Barnaby Joyce) leads the Nationals now, Tim Fischer almost comes off like your slightly batty but pretty likeable uncle who's really into trains.

The ratchet only turns one way. That's the reverse of the more nice-sounding 'the world only spins forwards'.
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Yeah, the train thing is a good example of how Fischer was very much more in the mould of the agrarian socialist side of the Nats rather than this fuck-off hyper-conservative wing that now seems to be seizing control. It's weird too because if the Young Nats prove anything, rural communities are moving away from that sort of closed Anglo-traditionalism to some extent. While the Young Libs seem to be getting more and more rabidly IPA-esque, the Young Nats from what I've heard are pretty moderate.
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It's bizarre alright. I'm not sure about the particulars of the careers of people like George Christiansen (did he come up through the Young Nats - he's not that old - or did he come from somewhere else?).

The culture-war stuff seems pretty clearly a weapon used when fighting from a position of weakness and/or irrelevance. I mean it had less place when the Nationals were powerful enough to deliver on the agrarian-socialist outcomes. It's all shadow-puppetry at this point. The same goes for the Liberals. They can't deliver family values because the marketised society is by definition corrosive to human relations. So wheel out the flag and bang on about halal foods and gays and whatever else.

The Liberals are pretty much enjoying the legacy of Howard, who during his two stints did his best to clear out the 'wets', leaving the party as an avowedly right wing conservative (or really, radical) party. When your favourite philosopher is Ayn Rand, I'm not sure you get to call yourself conservative.
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