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Old 09-27-2016, 12:23 AM   #676
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Bloody hell you Queenslanders. If it were that warm I'd be complaining endlessly. I'm annoyed it's now getting warm enough that we rarely have days below 14-15. On the other hand, I'm glad it's not now 1-2 degrees when I go for my morning run.
Heh, well, it's usually in the high twenties at this time of year. The high twenties is my comfort zone. Over 30 and I feel too hot, under 23 or so and I feel cold.

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- What I find interesting is the divergent trajectories of the Middle East and Latin America despite the US pursuing similar goals during the Cold War in dismantling left-wing/progressive forces that were feared to favour the Soviets (or just wouldn't play ball on the US's terms). I don't know nearly as much about Latin America as I should, so I can't speculate on why the results today are so different, but I think it's worth noting. And perhaps New Zealand should consider itself lucky that the US didn't try to intervene during the first year of the Lange government!
The Middle East and Latin America were very different in so many ways, but I take your point that there are some parallels.

Maybe Australia should consider itself lucky that the US didn't try to intervene during the Whitlam Govermn- oh, wait...



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- It's genuinely scary that Trump makes us think Dubya wasn't that bad, or that Abbott does the same to Howard, or whatever. I have an older colleague who is furious that Malcolm Fraser in the years preceding his death was somewhat adopted by the left - I've lost count of how many times I've heard from her some variation of "I was an undergrad when he came to power! He was terrible!" It goes to show just how alarmingly there has been a drift to the right and how much the goalposts have shifted in terms of what is an acceptable part of mainstream political debate.
Yeah, time has a way of smoothing off those rough edges, doesn't it. I was around for the early Howard government, and so much of what was done is done for good, irreversible, the damage immense. The privatisation of the employment-agency-biz springs to mind (the Job Network, which is essentially a cuddlier cousin of the prison-industrial complex). The decline and fall of the ABC over these same two to three decades is another thing. It's hard to remember that the ABC used to be quite good, thinking back when I was around in the early nineties as a high schooler.

I suppose it's partly for these reasons that I don't think all change is to the good, or the 'world only spins forward' or the future is better than the past. It simply isn't so.

In some fairness to Fraser I guess he never pretended to be a man of the left, but his more humane instincts on questions concerning refugees and this country's indigeneous people, and the US alliance, simply grew increasingly out of step with a right that has no use for anything without a dollar sign on it.
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Old 09-27-2016, 01:37 AM   #677
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Heh, well, it's usually in the high twenties at this time of year. The high twenties is my comfort zone. Over 30 and I feel too hot, under 23 or so and I feel cold.
It's too hot if I can't wear a coat or jacket, and at the moment I consider that to be about 20. When I lived in Queensland my upper limit was 25. I live in my coats. I don't even know what to do if I don't have one and all of its sweet, sweet pockets in which to store my life.

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The Middle East and Latin America were very different in so many ways, but I take your point that there are some parallels.

Maybe Australia should consider itself lucky that the US didn't try to intervene during the Whitlam Govermn- oh, wait...
True. Although the policy objectives were analogous, the local contexts are perhaps too difficult to compare. Though many of the left-wing revolutionaries in both regions shared bonds.

It's odd because it's not as if the Whitlam government was that radical. Certainly not compared to what was happening elsewhere, or even to Chifley's government.

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Yeah, time has a way of smoothing off those rough edges, doesn't it. I was around for the early Howard government, and so much of what was done is done for good, irreversible, the damage immense. The privatisation of the employment-agency-biz springs to mind (the Job Network, which is essentially a cuddlier cousin of the prison-industrial complex).
I wrote some overviews of research projects going on in my faculty last year and one of them was to do with the privatisation of employment agencies. It's not something I had thought about much - it happened before I was old enough to grasp the import of what was happening - and I certainly had not realised that Australia took the most extreme approach of comparable countries. Both the UK and the Netherlands maintain much greater state involvement in the sector than we do, and provide better incentives not just to jobseekers, but also to staff to maintain morale and reduce turnover. My overviews were based on interviews, and I walked into this one expecting to be bored stiff and walked out having really learnt something.
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Old 09-27-2016, 02:43 AM   #678
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[QUOTE=Axver;8106897]It's too hot if I can't wear a coat or jacket, and at the moment I consider that to be about 20. When I lived in Queensland my upper limit was 25. I live in my coats. I don't even know what to do if I don't have one and all of its sweet, sweet pockets in which to store my life.[quote]

I work at home and spend most of my time there to be honest, and if I have to wear a coat, it's too cold. In fact, if I have to wear a shirt, it's by definition, too cold.



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True. Although the policy objectives were analogous, the local contexts are perhaps too difficult to compare. Though many of the left-wing revolutionaries in both regions shared bonds.

It's odd because it's not as if the Whitlam government was that radical. Certainly not compared to what was happening elsewhere, or even to Chifley's government.
Oh I know, and in some respects, with the first big tariff reductions, Whitlam's government could be seen as a forerunner of what would come under Hawke. Actually Australia under Whitlam was mostly just picking up where the US had been going under Johnson or maybe the UK under Wilson, but it was the seventies by then and then the oil crises started rolling on in.

In all seriousness I don't know if US contacts in the diplomatic arena were actually desperate to destroy Whitlam, but they were seemingly unsettled enough by the erratic nature of that government to prefer Fraser and the Coalition...



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I wrote some overviews of research projects going on in my faculty last year and one of them was to do with the privatisation of employment agencies. It's not something I had thought about much - it happened before I was old enough to grasp the import of what was happening - and I certainly had not realised that Australia took the most extreme approach of comparable countries. Both the UK and the Netherlands maintain much greater state involvement in the sector than we do, and provide better incentives not just to jobseekers, but also to staff to maintain morale and reduce turnover. My overviews were based on interviews, and I walked into this one expecting to be bored stiff and walked out having really learnt something.
Yeah, it's odd that Australia went so far in that direction, and bear in mind this was during Howard's unhappy first term when he was an inch away from defeat. As I've said before, Howard wasn't really safe in power until after 9/11 and the Tampa business.
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Old 09-28-2016, 05:15 AM   #679
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I see it could get down to 8 in the next couple of nights, and into mid next week there isn't more than one day tipped to reach 25, and no more than three tipped to even reach 20. Yeah, I'm fucking over this.
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While I'm grumpy that Sunday is currently forecast to be a much-too-warm 22.

Wonder if Vlad is enjoying the dark in SA right now...! Lucky Port aren't in the grand final or this would be a very inauspicious omen.
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Old 09-28-2016, 06:12 AM   #681
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The dark? What is this dark in SA? Is the Death Star in orbit?
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I'm one of the lucky ones, my power came back 20 or so minutes ago.
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Old 09-28-2016, 06:29 AM   #683
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The dark? What is this dark in SA? Is the Death Star in orbit?
South Australia wasn't sure it was doing a good enough impression of the nineteenth century so they switched off the power.

Countdown to "I survived the great South Australian blackout of 2016" statuses/memes/shirts in 3, 2...
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Oooooh, right.

Cause I was tempted to say, that even under Jay Weatherill I'm pretty sure photosynthesis still takes place.
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Geez Fairfax publish some awful hot takes these days: South Australia pays the price for heavy reliance on renewable energy

Yes, SA is definitely paying the price for using renewables through an event that would have happened whether the entire state's power came from wind, coal, nuclear, cow farts, ten trillion hamsters running on little wheels, the musty odour of Nick Xenophon's populism, Christopher Pyne's smugness, or literally anything else. Quality logic.
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Everyone's favourite Malcolm Roberts is stinking up the joint again.
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I like Wyatt Roy a lot.
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Why, what'd he do now?
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Flew of his own accord to Syria to learn about it all firsthand, which I give him credit for. And (not surprisingly given he's in his 20s) he was pretty liberal for a Liberal.

Then Penny Wong released a really fucking weird statement demanding the Liberals explain his trip. More like Petty Wong!
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