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Old 08-03-2016, 03:50 AM   #451
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I have far too much of a sweet tooth. If dentistry doesn't become part of Medicare I probably won't have any teeth left in a decade.
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Old 08-03-2016, 05:11 AM   #452
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I have far too much of a sweet tooth. If dentistry doesn't become part of Medicare I probably won't have any teeth left in a decade.

Haha, because as we all know, teeth are not part of the body!


Yeah, I'm amazed I've still got all my teeth (my only saving grace is I've not much of a sweet tooth, but apart from that I've spent years at a stretch doing all the wrong things, eg. blowing off brushing because it hit midnight and fuck it, I'm done). I'm riding one bad one but it'll have to wait till the next flare-up because a. it's money, and b. extraction brings with it its own promise of painful complications.

Frankly, dentists scare me. The last time I fronted up, the medical form asked if I have a heart condition. WTF are you guys planning to do back there?

PS I have a few comments on your earlier reply but I want to formulate my thoughts when I'm not busy for a moment.
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Old 08-03-2016, 05:35 AM   #453
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Seriously, I do not get the "yeah fuck having dentistry in Medicare" thing one bit. When I finished high school (and, with it, the free dental care you get from those vans of barely-trained butchers that come once or twice a year [actually mine were generally OK]), I had very good teeth. Then I was a poor undergrad who also did the "it's midnight and that cleanses my teeth, right?" thing and by the time I next went to the dentist when I was 24 I needed heaps of fillings and a root canal. I haven't been in the last four years for a range of reasons, laziness perhaps uppermost, and I dread how much I'll have to fork out for necessary treatment whenever I do get around to it. I'm not even afraid of dentists! Only my wallet is.

I suppose it's a glimpse of how catastrophic the US system is.
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Old 08-03-2016, 05:56 AM   #454
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Also, we haven't talked about the latest Senate results. Bob "fuckwit" Day somehow snuck back in for SA, causing a big upset by defeating the fourth ALP candidate. So SA has returned 4 Lib, 3 ALP, 3 Xenophon, 1 Green, 1 Fundies First.

Meanwhile Victoria has gone basically as expected, with the headline figures being the return of 2 Greens and the success of Hinch, who actually came tenth rather than the eleventh or twelfth that I forecast. Interestingly, the last party to be excluded in the race for twelfth was Fundies First, polling better than the Sex Party.

Now we're just waiting on NSW and Queensland, which ought to be known tomorrow.
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Old 08-03-2016, 07:17 AM   #455
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Seriously, I do not get the "yeah fuck having dentistry in Medicare" thing one bit. When I finished high school (and, with it, the free dental care you get from those vans of barely-trained butchers that come once or twice a year [actually mine were generally OK]), I had very good teeth. Then I was a poor undergrad who also did the "it's midnight and that cleanses my teeth, right?" thing and by the time I next went to the dentist when I was 24 I needed heaps of fillings and a root canal. I haven't been in the last four years for a range of reasons, laziness perhaps uppermost, and I dread how much I'll have to fork out for necessary treatment whenever I do get around to it. I'm not even afraid of dentists! Only my wallet is.

I suppose it's a glimpse of how catastrophic the US system is.
Prior to an emergency bout of extreme pain last year, I hadn't set foot in a dentist's waiting room since a routine booking on the public system waiting list in the late nineties.

Yeah, the dentists' guild must have really had a heavy hitter at the helm when Medicare and its forerunner were being cobbled together. So far as I know the conservative doctors' union (AMA, like its British counterpart) weren't thrilled with socialised healthcare, but somehow they've gotten to live with it.

US healthcare seems to be essentially, picture how it is for teeth here, only for everything.
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Old 08-03-2016, 07:20 AM   #456
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Also, we haven't talked about the latest Senate results. Bob "fuckwit" Day somehow snuck back in for SA, causing a big upset by defeating the fourth ALP candidate. So SA has returned 4 Lib, 3 ALP, 3 Xenophon, 1 Green, 1 Fundies First.

Meanwhile Victoria has gone basically as expected, with the headline figures being the return of 2 Greens and the success of Hinch, who actually came tenth rather than the eleventh or twelfth that I forecast. Interestingly, the last party to be excluded in the race for twelfth was Fundies First, polling better than the Sex Party.

Now we're just waiting on NSW and Queensland, which ought to be known tomorrow.

Seriously, Fundies First actually got back in? I take it Bob Day is their guy.

Hinch's success surprises me a lot more than Hanson's or whoever. He's a charlatan. Never voted in your life, then fuck off claiming to deal with the laws that govern us. That said, I must feel some mild schadenfreude at the dismal showing from the Pimps' Party. Fuck 'em (literally).
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Prior to an emergency bout of extreme pain last year, I hadn't set foot in a dentist's waiting room since a routine booking on the public system waiting list in the late nineties.

Yeah, the dentists' guild must have really had a heavy hitter at the helm when Medicare and its forerunner were being cobbled together. So far as I know the conservative doctors' union (AMA, like its British counterpart) weren't thrilled with socialised healthcare, but somehow they've gotten to live with it.

US healthcare seems to be essentially, picture how it is for teeth here, only for everything.
I have a faint memory of reading something that argued the cost of adding dentistry to Medicare would be astronomical, but given literally everything else is covered I can't fathom how teeth could possibly be so much more expensive as to blow a huge hole in government expenditure. Hell, we're already paying for the social and long-term costs of terrible oral health anyway.

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Seriously, Fundies First actually got back in? I take it Bob Day is their guy.

Hinch's success surprises me a lot more than Hanson's or whoever. He's a charlatan. Never voted in your life, then fuck off claiming to deal with the laws that govern us. That said, I must feel some mild schadenfreude at the dismal showing from the Pimps' Party. Fuck 'em (literally).
Hinch doesn't surprise me too much, he's pretty popular down here with the "tell it like it is" crowd who want people named and shamed before being found guilty, and for the prison system to essentially be a dank hellhole to which you are sentenced for 250 years for the smallest of crimes.

But the strange part about Hinch is that he's actually fairly left-wing on most other issues. The risk of him abusing parliamentary privilege is high, but I do not expect him to be as big a source of head-desking as Hanson & Co., Bob Day, Lambie, and the lunatic wing of the Coalition.

I was fucking confused to see something earlier calling Bernardi et al. the Liberals' "traditionalists". There is absolutely nothing traditionalist about Bernardi. Dump him into a 1910s parliament and everybody would ask who the crazy man is.
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Old 08-03-2016, 08:46 AM   #458
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Yeah, it's not that Hinch is in any way an ideological rightwinger, for example. He's mostly a guy with pet issues.

As a blogger (an extremely ex-young-Lib) I follow likes to put it, Bernadi is hanging off the Liberal Party like a tick. When he's full, he'll drop off. Could be tomorrow, could be ten years from now. He's a radical reactionary.
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Bernardi's Twitter account profile suggests he's definitely as unhinged as we think he is. As much as everyone in the Liberal Party is undeniably scum, Bernardi is on another level.
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He's a dangerous motherfucker and it's probably for the best that he lacks that common touch that allows people to really connect with middle straya.
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I must say, the more I hear about this census furore (the one I was blissfully unaware of the other day because, well, sometimes that's how I roll), the more suspicious I am of some of the motives behind it.

That's leaving aside that the same people freaking out about the Bureau of Statistics having their details for a few years probably don't even know what they're giving away to Facebook and care even less. But Facebook is nice, and cuddly, and Mark Zuckerberg is like your slightly Aspergers older brother who wants to rule the world everyone to share everything, unlike some faceless boffin at the department of abacuses... or something.
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If I do have one gripe about the census this year - the online submission with a (one assumes, understaffed and overloaded) backup help line for people who need a paper form, it is this:

As Telstra's sorry history of endless outages this year should make clear, a reliable, uninterrupted internet service at any given time, let's say a specific time like Tuesday night, 9 August, is by no means something that can be assumed. Sad, but true.

I guess everything will be fine for me on the night, but on the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't. They really should allow people to go and complete it at any time after they get their login details. Spread the load out over a few weeks. Or maybe they do allow this? I haven't looked too closely into the matter.
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I hate everybody today.

Not one but TWO One Nation senators from Queensland. Fucking HELL. Pauline is joined by a mate who thinks that the CSIRO and UN conspire together to produce corrupt reports on climate science.

Also Leyon-fucking-hjelm got back in too. Hilarious and sad that the two men who bleated about the new system killing the minor parties, him and Day, both got in, while the crossbenchers who took it on the chin like Muir and Lazarus were turfed out.

The new senate:
30 Coalition
26 ALP
9 Green
4 One Nation
3 Xenophon
1 Family First
1 Hinch
1 Lambie
1 Lib Dem

39 is a majority; 38 suffices on the casting vote of the senate president. The only path to 38 involving two distinct blocs is Coalition/Green. If the ALP and the Greens oppose something, the Coalition will need at least eight of the eleven crossbenchers. If Xenophon won't play ball, the Coalition need literally the rest of the crossbench. If One Nation won't play ball they can't pass anything even if they get the rest of the crossbench.

HAVE FUN PASSING LEGISLATION!
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Meanwhile, The Australian continues to publish straight-up racist cartoons.
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I hate everybody today.

Not one but TWO One Nation senators from Queensland. Fucking HELL. Pauline is joined by a mate who thinks that the CSIRO and UN conspire together to produce corrupt reports on climate science.

Also Leyon-fucking-hjelm got back in too. Hilarious and sad that the two men who bleated about the new system killing the minor parties, him and Day, both got in, while the crossbenchers who took it on the chin like Muir and Lazarus were turfed out.

The new senate:
30 Coalition
26 ALP
9 Green
4 One Nation
3 Xenophon
1 Family First
1 Hinch
1 Lambie
1 Lib Dem

39 is a majority; 38 suffices on the casting vote of the senate president. The only path to 38 involving two distinct blocs is Coalition/Green. If the ALP and the Greens oppose something, the Coalition will need at least eight of the eleven crossbenchers. If Xenophon won't play ball, the Coalition need literally the rest of the crossbench. If One Nation won't play ball they can't pass anything even if they get the rest of the crossbench.

HAVE FUN PASSING LEGISLATION!
That's a very messy crossbench. Sadly, I could see Lib Dem / One Nation / Lambie and Family First making common cause on some matters such that they could be approached as a quasi-bloc. But Xenophon? Who the hell knows. Both and all of them? Even more so who the hell knows.
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