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Old 07-18-2016, 08:21 AM   #406
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Old 07-18-2016, 08:56 AM   #407
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Just reading tonight's #qanda tweets is enough to make the blood boil. Thank christ I'm not watching.
I watched a clip of a man who asked Hanson a question. I'm regretting letting it go for long enough to hear Hanson's response, it's the same old tired cliches + a reference to that fraud Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
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Looking at news reports of Q&A and it sounds just as excruciating as I expected. I don't know how Sam Dastyari didn't storm out, but I love that Pauline Hanson somehow apparently didn't realise he's a Muslim even as he offered to take her out on election night for a halal snack pack.

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Agreed, for the most part, about New Matilda (one or two contributors strongly excepted), and Independent Australia is like a cesspool for David Icke fans. As for The Conversation... I don't even know why that site exists. It is clickbaity blandness personified, only with a slightly upper-middle-brow twist of Grattan on top. Reminds me of those dreadful 'centrist' blogs who consistently miss the forest for the trees on every great question of the age.
I must admit this is the first time I've seen The Conversation called clickbaity. I'd say it's one best quality is how it resists being so, even at the risk of being dull.

My problem with it is that it suffers from the same problem of much of academia, or funding thereof: a delusion that the STEM disciplines are the only ones that matter. So you get heaps of articles about science and medicine but fuck-all about the humanities. To give them credit they've made an effort to improve on that front, but it seems to be largely by getting political scientists to talk about the issues of the day.

There's also the fact that in its first few months it had easily the best comments section of any halfway prominent news website, but then the anti-vaxxers and climate denialists and other cranks discovered it and the whole thing went down the shitter in that regard. I've probably said before it's a big part of why I don't submit articles there any more (and thus don't help to mitigate the STEM-centric problem about which I complain!).
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Old 07-18-2016, 06:45 PM   #409
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Looking at news reports of Q&A and it sounds just as excruciating as I expected. I don't know how Sam Dastyari didn't storm out, but I love that Pauline Hanson somehow apparently didn't realise he's a Muslim even as he offered to take her out on election night for a halal snack pack.



I must admit this is the first time I've seen The Conversation called clickbaity. I'd say it's one best quality is how it resists being so, even at the risk of being dull.

My problem with it is that it suffers from the same problem of much of academia, or funding thereof: a delusion that the STEM disciplines are the only ones that matter. So you get heaps of articles about science and medicine but fuck-all about the humanities. To give them credit they've made an effort to improve on that front, but it seems to be largely by getting political scientists to talk about the issues of the day.

There's also the fact that in its first few months it had easily the best comments section of any halfway prominent news website, but then the anti-vaxxers and climate denialists and other cranks discovered it and the whole thing went down the shitter in that regard. I've probably said before it's a big part of why I don't submit articles there any more (and thus don't help to mitigate the STEM-centric problem about which I complain!).

The comments threads probably aren't great, yeah.

My 'clickbaity' comment might be a little unfair, but it so happens that I keep an old half-defunct page from a certain blog bookmarked that has a bunch of rss feeds for a bunch of Australian sites like this, and so I often see The Conversation's latest headlines all grouped together in a list, and they really have that tone about them. Whoever subedits over there has a house style, let's say.

And whatever the backgrounds of their contributors, they seem to make some play at commenting on the political questions of the day just like any other of these sites. Just sometimes in a vaguely clueless and technocratic way.
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And whatever the backgrounds of their contributors, they seem to make some play at commenting on the political questions of the day just like any other of these sites. Just sometimes in a vaguely clueless and technocratic way.
I think it's because of that eternal quest for "relevance", so you get political scientists encouraged to write as much as possible - despite the fact that from my experience of studying political science some of these people are really bad at checking their sources or reading historical precedents. But much of the rest of the humanities gets left out in the cold. If we can't link our research to the news of the day, forget it. Meanwhile some pop physics article with limited relevance to anything gets an easy run.
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I think it's because of that eternal quest for "relevance", so you get political scientists encouraged to write as much as possible - despite the fact that from my experience of studying political science some of these people are really bad at checking their sources or reading historical precedents. But much of the rest of the humanities gets left out in the cold. If we can't link our research to the news of the day, forget it. Meanwhile some pop physics article with limited relevance to anything gets an easy run.

So maybe that's the problem right there. There's a certain 'gee whiz' tone to some of the stuff that sticks in my ass sideways.
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Ha, yes that's pretty much it.
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Old 07-19-2016, 12:07 AM   #413
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Reminds me of Doctor Karl on Triple J, after a while you'd get to know the bullshit he'd spout every week, about how we're all going to be spherical clouds of data in the future, or how robots and AI are going to take over (I'm not saying this is wholly wrongheaded, but to chuckle while saying it... you silly man). Or how cancer will be cured or some other nonsense. In most areas of human endeavour, progress has in fact slowed to a crawl.
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Am I crazy or has the mass shootings thread devolved into the real estate dick measuring thread?
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Seriously what is up with that.

It gives a fascinating insight into the rather skewed perspectives of some posters though.
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Let me tell you son, to live in New York, you've got to be Bono at 50, or Bono at 19.
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These are the hands that built America...'s subprime mortgage crisis.
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