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Old 07-18-2016, 02:54 AM   #391
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If I ever watch any sort of morning programming, it's the ABC's, which is by comparison very likeable and pleasant.
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Old 07-18-2016, 03:02 AM   #392
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I saw a lot of the ABC's morning show on the aforementioned work trip where a colleague kept putting it on. Sure it didn't bother me but I'd have been just as happy if it hadn't been on, and would've probably found out more about what was happening in the world if I'd just checked my phone for five minutes.

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Jones is just peculiar, period. He's almost like a parody of a semi-disgraced-but-still-popular radio demagogue in some classic film we haven't heard of. And he picks the strangest things as causes celebre (the business about a certain Wagners quarry and the 2011 Lockyer floods for instance).

As for morning telly, I guess I'm slightly out of the loop, but it is depressing if true, how ubiquitous it all is. For reference, my parents are quite old and barely watch tv at all (the 6.00pm news maybe). And I will not have it on at all in the mornings. Fuck that. Triple J was bad enough, and I've about kicked that habit in favour of silence.
I must admit I take a strange sort of amusement in Jones's causes, because as you say they're so fucking odd. I like watching him burst a few blood vessels over something totally niche, claim it matters to the regular pensioners listening to him, and then take credit for election results if there's any swing in the direction he advocated.

I find it weird this instinct to turn to the TV to clear the silence. I always reach for music myself; to be honest the telly is more a distraction than anything. I've known relatives to just leave the TV on during the day even when they're not watching it, and I'm all "why do you have these fucking infomercials on? Is anybody watching this? Can I turn it off?"
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Old 07-18-2016, 03:13 AM   #393
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I'd totally go for music to clear the silence, if anything, but the telly is insufferable. Daytime telly is just another word for 'suicidal thoughts'. Nighttime telly ain't much better, and this is why I let mine lapse when the analogue signal turned off.

I'd probably listen to more music while I work, but it only sounds good to me with headphones, and those things get uncomfortable after any length of time.

The only thing Jones has got half-right, almost like a stopped clock one might say, is his opposition to Coal Seam Gas.
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Old 07-18-2016, 03:17 AM   #394
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Not to sound unkind or nothin', but if if you took away Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Top Gear and Ghostbusters-The-Remake, about half The Guardian's staff would be needing to revisit their resumes.

Ok, actually I do mean it to sound unkind.
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Old 07-18-2016, 03:25 AM   #395
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If I ever watch any sort of morning programming, it's the ABC's, which is by comparison very likeable and pleasant.
I remember back in the good old days, when I was a kid, the ABC's morning programming often included the stop-motion-animation version of The Wind In The Willows, and that puppet thing that Bill Oddie did after The Goodies finished. Good times. And on Saturdays, RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE RRR RRR RAAAGE.
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As far as I can tell I only own a telly to watch sport and the occasional thing on the ABC that I remember to watch when it airs rather than later on iView.

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Not to sound unkind or nothin', but if if you took away Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Top Gear and Ghostbusters-The-Remake, about half The Guardian's staff would be needing to revisit their resumes.

Ok, actually I do mean it to sound unkind.
Oh I wouldn't say that, there's always some Tory to whinge about.

(I love a good Tory-related whinge.)
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OK, this guy's written some shit columns of late but this one amused me and nails the whole "but why is nobody from the community condemning this?" bullshit we always hear: I'm sorry about Sonia Kruger's stupid, inflammatory comments
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Old 07-18-2016, 05:23 AM   #398
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OK, this guy's written some shit columns of late but this one amused me and nails the whole "but why is nobody from the community condemning this?" bullshit we always hear: I'm sorry about Sonia Kruger's stupid, inflammatory comments
Heh. Yeah, collective guilt does get a bit old after a while. Especially since the 'where oh where are the good Muslims who will condemn this' pantomine is so much question-begging when talking of a global community with far less identifiable (indeed none) leadership than many Christian denominations*.

That's before we even get onto the part about how asking someone to disavow something they never had anything to do with in the first place is a bit like asking you when you stopped beating your wife. (Not applying this to things like the Apology (to the stolen generations) of course, since that was more properly understood as a political gesture; as if anyone in the room personally abducted children and dispersed communities.)

So, it's a clever column, but I think he can stuff his sorrys in a sack.

*That said, the hardline Wahabbists who provide among other things the ideological buttress for the Saudi monarchy, should indeed apologise. Profusely. On their knees.
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As far as I can tell I only own a telly to watch sport and the occasional thing on the ABC that I remember to watch when it airs rather than later on iView.



Oh I wouldn't say that, there's always some Tory to whinge about.

(I love a good Tory-related whinge.)

There's always Jeremy Corbyn to whinge about. Seriously, wasn't it just a matter of weeks ago that the paper's columnists were running a semi-coordinated campaign to discredit him as an anti-semite?
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There's always Jeremy Corbyn to whinge about. Seriously, wasn't it just a matter of weeks ago that the paper's columnists were running a semi-coordinated campaign to discredit him as an anti-semite?
Needs more Nick Cohen articles where he proclaims himself a leftist while bashing anything remotely left of centre.

My hatred for the non-Aus section of The Guardian grows exponentially.
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The Aus section is ok - not fantastic but ok - but the 'global' paper (hard to tell where the blurry line falls) is pretty abysmal. That it masquerades as 'progressive' merely adds insult to injury.
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I don't know what you guys really want out of a "progressive" paper though, given that the vast majority of other prominent mainstream publications are further to the right (closer to the centre, in the case of the left-leaning ones), while those more to the left are generally niche publications very few people take seriously.

Certainly in Australia I'm not sure where else to look for well-resourced news with a strong opinion section that isn't in some way trying to repeat the Murdoch party line or pander to people who might be sympathetic to it. The Fairfax papers can best be described as occupying the centre, something like New Matilda is a fucking waste of time right now, anybody who reads Independent Australia needs to find something better to do, and the socialist rags are impossible to take seriously.
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I don't know what you guys really want out of a "progressive" paper though, given that the vast majority of other prominent mainstream publications are further to the right (closer to the centre, in the case of the left-leaning ones), while those more to the left are generally niche publications very few people take seriously.

Certainly in Australia I'm not sure where else to look for well-resourced news with a strong opinion section that isn't in some way trying to repeat the Murdoch party line or pander to people who might be sympathetic to it. The Fairfax papers can best be described as occupying the centre, something like New Matilda is a fucking waste of time right now, anybody who reads Independent Australia needs to find something better to do, and the socialist rags are impossible to take seriously.

I just want them to be a little better I guess... and remember, it is the international version of the publication catching some of the opprobrium here. Of course it's all one big website and it bleeds at the edges. That they are better than the Murdoch or Fairfax stable is... not nothing... but those outlets are simply trash at this point. You'd want to be better, you know?

Agreed, for the most part, about New Matilda (one or two contributors strongly excepted), and Independent Australia is like a cesspool for David Icke fans. As for The Conversation... I don't even know why that site exists. It is clickbaity blandness personified, only with a slightly upper-middle-brow twist of Grattan on top. Reminds me of those dreadful 'centrist' blogs who consistently miss the forest for the trees on every great question of the age.
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I will add just this though, a 'progressive' paper should never have fallen for Malcolm Turnbull, however momentarily.
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Just reading tonight's #qanda tweets is enough to make the blood boil. Thank christ I'm not watching.
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