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Old 06-23-2016, 01:02 AM   #226
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It's as if you momentarily thought Ax had made a brief transformation into Richard Dawkins and/or Bill Maher.
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The problem with Dawkins et al. is that they don't quite understand that you don't have to be a douchebag to people with whom you disagree. You can take a contrary view and not do what they ask without essentially thumbing your nose at them or taking a piss on what they care about.

It was interesting when I became an atheist, started drinking heavily, lived with a partner outside of marriage, etc. A few of my very religious friends drifted away completely, they disapproved so strongly of my life choices. But in general as long as we were both able to respectfully agree to disagree, it was all good with most folks.
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It's as if you momentarily thought Ax had made a brief transformation into Richard Dawkins and/or Bill Maher.
It's a little bit like that, yeah! Hence my brain-freeze.
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Old 06-23-2016, 01:18 AM   #229
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The problem with Dawkins et al. is that they don't quite understand that you don't have to be a douchebag to people with whom you disagree. You can take a contrary view and not do what they ask without essentially thumbing your nose at them or taking a piss on what they care about.

It was interesting when I became an atheist, started drinking heavily, lived with a partner outside of marriage, etc. A few of my very religious friends drifted away completely, they disapproved so strongly of my life choices. But in general as long as we were both able to respectfully agree to disagree, it was all good with most folks.
I must have a very strange outlook on my (nominal) faith, in that questions surrounding lifestyle rank somewhere near the bottom of what interests me.

Speaking of all those 'Christian' microparties you find yourself reviewing, I can't take seriously any Christian politician who is not, at best, deeply ambivalent about capitalism and the prevailing economic dispensation. (and indeed some have been, for example the unelected BA Santamaria and later camp followers in the DLP etc).

I think Christianity in the west has fallen prey to its own kind of identity politics, though the strands of thought around matters anti-sexuality (not merely anti non-mainstream sexuality) stem right back to the early, extreme unworldliness of the faith, and the rejection of things of this world. Like a lot of good ideas it can drift rather badly.
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Old 06-23-2016, 01:50 AM   #230
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Oh it's identity politics through and through. It's surprising how little the Christian micro-parties care about anything other than families, gays, and sex. The DLP preaches "distributivist" economics but even this is just a cover for FAMILIEZZZ! Even when these parties make a nod towards poverty there's no attempt to analyse the underlying causes.

I might dial this up when I get to Rise Up STRAYA, because I feel like I've mainly been hammering single-issue and socially liberal micro-parties for a lack of economic perspectives. At least I know when I get to the two socialist parties there'll be some more robust economic policy.
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There is, or has been, in parts of the world, a radical Catholic left, for instance. But electoral politics isn't really its milieu; I'd bet serious money that most people of that persuasion in Australia vote for either Labor or maybe the Greens or maybe what's left of the Democrats, and stand for one of those if they run for office at all.

So that leaves the 'religion brand' field to idiots like Family Fist and Rise up Straya, who really are peddling a kind of snake oil not much dissimilar to Amway (which has its own fairly creepy US Christian-Dominionist links).
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Turnbull has just said that even after his supposedly fiscally conservative responsible party staged their 14 trillion dollar plebiscite, Liberal MPs would still be free to conscience vote. What a delightful old cunt.
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Old 06-24-2016, 12:21 AM   #233
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Turnbull has just said that even after his supposedly fiscally conservative responsible party staged their 14 trillion dollar plebiscite, Liberal MPs would still be free to conscience vote. What a delightful old cunt.
You know, this may actually be a subtle way for Turnbull to kill the plebiscite without having to do it himself.

A plebiscite has to be set up by parliament. Turnbull may be banking on the bill going before the Senate, and the ALP, Greens, and enough of the crossbench turning around and saying "wait, you want to spend $160 million on a plebiscite only to follow it with a conscience vote? Why not skip the plebiscite and just hold the conscience vote?" The Senate would then kill the plebiscite bill and try to bring on a conscience vote. It means Turnbull doesn't have to spend a bajillion dollars on what will be an ugly campaign, but can keep telling the loonies in his own party that he wanted a plebiscite and it was that nasty Senate what killed it.

It would be smart strategy, because otherwise he's in an invidious position. The crazy wing of the Libs would crucify him if he walked away from a plebiscite. Meanwhile the general public will be deeply unhappy with the cost of the plebiscite, especially if all that money is spent only for parliament to defy the will of the people in a bullshit conscience vote. Much more expedient for ol' mate Malc - now with vitamin R - to let the Senate kill off the whole thing for him.
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He probably could but anyway I have it.

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I admire Dawkins' work and generally empathise with his views on most things, but taking to Twitter ruined him. His tweets just come across as rash, foolish and alarmist. He has really tainted the "new atheist" movement (if you could call it that) and comes across as a kind of caricature these days.


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The 'new atheist' movement was never good to begin with. It's all a bunch of shit.
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I don't respect Dawkins or his work, so I guess between us all we have most bases covered!
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Old 06-24-2016, 10:21 AM   #238
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I see Mr Turnbull is getting in on the act (not Dawkins, the Brexit vote). Vote for me, because something happened.

Let me repeat that: vote for me, because something happened in Britain.

Let that sink in.

Fucking cocksuckers who rule us. They are worth... nothing. Nothing at all.
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Dawkins is the sort of person who starts off with a good idea, then behaves about it in such a way that it makes everybody who's in agreement with him not want to be in agreement with him.

Turnbull is the sort of person who starts off with a good idea and then gets rid of it on the open market because capitalism.
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Haha, my girlfriend (who is living in France) was like "I need help to vote" so I got drunk and spent like two hours writing her up a super basic document (I didn't realise how fucking many candidates there are for the Victorian senate) and she's pretty much gonna do the same as me, vote 1-6 above the line for all the left parties not called Socialist Alternative.

She lives in Goldstein which is an incredibly safe Liberal seat, and with the new Liberal candidate being gay will appeal to the rich but socially progressive young voters so I just said vote 1-2 Greens/Sex.
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