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Old 02-24-2009, 04:51 PM   #16
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Agreed.


But am I the only person here who is SHOCKED by the idea of GUNS designed especially for KIDS?

There is generally a huge difference between Europe and the US when it comes to guns. In the US it's much more commonplace to go hunting or sport shooting even as teenagers, or kids, than it is here.

It's right that it was irresponsible to leave the kid with access to his gun, and I don't know about the law regarding how to store guns, but from the article it's clear that the kid had some issues nevertheless. He went downstairs with the guns, when he was seen by the seven year old he went upstairs again only to hide the gun, and he was planning to kill is stepmother for a while. Additionally, he went to school right afterwards as if nothing happened. Whatever the reasons, but he looks like a case for a mental facility.

I will never understand how any kid can be put under adult law. No matter what crime.
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There's nothing wrong with kids having/using guns, for things like hunting, as long as they know gun safety and the parents are in control. The idea behind these guns is that they will be easier for kids to use, less recoil, not as big, etc, therefore making them more safe for kids to use.



And easier for child soldiers to carry when they are kidnapped by rebels and forced to kill their parents in a civil war.
Yeah, definately more safe for kids to use!

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Old 02-24-2009, 07:32 PM   #18
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But am I the only person here who is SHOCKED by the idea of GUNS designed especially for KIDS?
No, you're not the only one!


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There is generally a huge difference between Europe and the US when it comes to guns. In the US it's much more commonplace to go hunting or sport shooting even as teenagers, or kids, than it is here.
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Old 02-24-2009, 07:54 PM   #19
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I bought my son a 20 guage last year -- he was 12.

We go skeet and trap shooting all of the time. Great fun, and a decent skill to have too. He also plays violent video games. He also is the most loving, empathetic kid, I've ever known.

Keeping your ammo locked up is another easy safety tip.
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Old 02-24-2009, 08:05 PM   #20
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The possession of a gun or playing violent video games doesn't make you a killer. But as a parent you need to keep an eye on your kids because under some circumstances certain media or certain hobbies can have a negative influence on children, or add to other problems where the parent has to intervene.
But nevertheless, safety rules are there for a reason. And one is to lock guns and ammo away.

I started playing age inappropriate games and watching age inappropriate movies at around eight or nine. Didn't screw me much. But on the other hand, that's just anecdotal evidence, and we know that's not worth much.
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I agree, Vincent. I grew up with guns in the house. I would not even know how to load or cock one, let alone be able to fire it accurately. And honestly I don't even know where in the house they were kept. I've never fired a gun and have no desire to. The closest I come to guns is in training and trialing my German Shepherds. It is a breed fault for the dog to be gun shy, so blanks are fired while they perform and show (and I jumped the first few times).

My brother got into hunting at an early age, but he was required to take safety classes. IMO, learning on adult guns is MORE dangerous. He also had a youth bow designed for a left hander, a bow that a 12 year old could actually draw (as kids we would sneak my grandpa's bow out and try to draw it, OMG yeah right!). The more you learn and use them properly, the more safe you are. Sort of like driving.

Our family has never had any sort of safety issue or accident with any type of gun, bow, or ammunition. Everyone is trained, all the weapons are properly cleaned and stored. My uncles are retired cops, so not only do they know their hunting weapons, but have been routinely certified in the use and safety of other weapons as well. Ironically, the closest anyone has come to a fatal incident was me, being in a vehicle that was shot at on the highway, and the bullet missed my face by 4 inches.

I guess I don't get how this is in any way connected to children being abducted and brain washed into participating in civil war and genocide....

I agree with the others, it sounds like this kid premeditated this and the gun was just incidental.
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It might be safe to have a kid shoot a gun under adult supervision when a parent and a child goes hunting.

It is never safe to just hand them a loaded weapon and let them run amok with it. It's bad enough that adults carry guns, now we have to give them to children, too? A child is much less rational than an adult, and adult gun carriers are bad enough.
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^ Who are you referring to? The boy in the article? No one 'handed him a gun and let him run amok with it'; it's just that the parents were tragically foolish in storing his gun, and apparently ammo as well, where he had access to it (sadly, many states, PA included, don't hold gun owners legally accountable for this). Certainly no one in the thread was arguing that kids should be able to run around unsupervised with guns.
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^ Who are you referring to? The boy in the article? No one 'handed him a gun and let him run amok with it'; it's just that the parents were tragically foolish in storing his gun, and apparently ammo as well, where he had access to it (sadly, many states, PA included, don't hold gun owners legally accountable for this). Certainly no one in the thread was arguing that kids should be able to run around unsupervised with guns.
Well, that's pretty much letting him run amok. They might have not handed it to him per se, but they stored it improperly, and gave him access to it.

And making 'kid sized weapons' is like handing it to them on a silver platter. Plenty of kids grew up shooting their parent's shotgun years ago, they didn't have to have 'kid sized' weapons. It's sick that there's a market for this stuff.
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is united states the only nation that glorifies violence to kids?
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And easier for child soldiers to carry when they are kidnapped by rebels and forced to kill their parents in a civil war.
Yeah, definately more safe for kids to use!
I'm pretty sure rebels who do those thing don't really care what size the gun is or who its specified for. They're going to give them a gun and make them commit terrible crimes with them.
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And making 'kid sized weapons' is like handing it to them on a silver platter. Plenty of kids grew up shooting their parent's shotgun years ago, they didn't have to have 'kid sized' weapons.
I just don't think that's the intent of these 'youth model' designs...I'm not really sure how long they've been around, but at least when I was a kid in the '70s and '80s, no kids I knew who hunted with their parents had anything like that; their first guns were pretty much always hand-me-down shotguns that some relative didn't need anymore. And lots of times that worked out fine. But if you're talking a kid who's on the slight side for their age, and/or if the hand-me-down is a fairly heavy gun, then actually that can be both unsafe and unpleasant for the child...the stronger recoil makes it harder for them to maintain control of the gun, plus they're going to be exhausted and sore long before the afternoon's over from slogging through the woods carrying a too-heavy firearm, then on top of that their shoulder gets all banged up from having the butt of the gun repeatedly driven into it by the stronger recoil. I don't understand what the issue is with offering a shorter and lighter model to get around those problems. One of our neighbors has a daughter in high school who still uses a youth model shotgun because she's a petite girl and it's just much easier for her to use.
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is united states the only nation that glorifies violence to kids?
Yes, because a single person in this thread has "glorified" what this child did....

So far you're the only person that has brought up violence, in a totally unrelated context.
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It might be safe to have a kid shoot a gun under adult supervision when a parent and a child goes hunting.

It is never safe to just hand them a loaded weapon and let them run amok with it. It's bad enough that adults carry guns, now we have to give them to children, too? A child is much less rational than an adult, and adult gun carriers are bad enough.
To me that's a no-brainer. Some 11 year old boys still need their moms to tell them what to wear and when to shower.

I don't see anyone here who would disagree with your statement. NO child should EVER be responsible for maintaining and securing a gun.
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I don't understand what the issue is with offering a shorter and lighter model to get around those problems. One of our neighbors has a daughter in high school who still uses a youth model shotgun because she's a petite girl and it's just much easier for her to use.
I have small hands and short fingers and found it hard to manage a full sized shotgun, so a youth model worked better for me. I don't have one anymore, but in a rural area having a shotgun is often not a bad idea.
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