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Old 09-26-2008, 05:11 PM   #46
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Ah. See thats where your knowledge or lack of comes into play. The Catholic school system in Alberta is not exclusive to Catholics. For example, any Christian, Jew, Muslim or Atheist is free to attend a Catholic school.
Answer this. Is anyone assigned to a Catholic school? Or do they have the freedom to choose where they go?

Because if they choose a school with a particular set of beliefs, then them's the breaks.
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Old 09-26-2008, 05:12 PM   #47
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she is a grown woman with a brain and sense of reality and not a bloody ostrich who wants to put her head in the sand.
Again, charming.
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Old 09-26-2008, 05:16 PM   #48
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Again, charming.
You know what, I find it borderline negligent for these parents to stick their heads in the sand.

Did my mother want me having sex as a teenager? No. But what she wanted even less was to become a grandmother at the age of 40, or to have a daughter who was HIV+ or with syphilis.

And anybody who implies that they are better Christians because they prevent their daughters from having access to comprehensive sex ed should be derided - I make no apologies for it. We do not need children having children, we do not need AIDS spreading like forest fire. This is a level of negligence from religious authorities like the Church that I have no time for.
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Old 09-26-2008, 05:19 PM   #49
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This is exactly the point. When does the government have the right to intrude on the free practice of religion? And who decides? INDY has rightly pointed out that public safety is a non-issue here, so something else seems to be afoot.


how are vaccinations at all religious issues?
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Old 09-26-2008, 05:22 PM   #50
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Answer this. Is anyone assigned to a Catholic school? Or do they have the freedom to choose where they go?

Because if they choose a school with a particular set of beliefs, then them's the breaks.


what are the beliefs here? i don't understand at all how vaccinations for cervical cancer violate any religious belief.

i am very confused.
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Old 09-26-2008, 05:23 PM   #51
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So, it's fear that HPV is spread through sexual contact and that females (but not men! They're safe!) are vulnerable to it turning into a deadly disease and that the vaccine can prevent a very large percentage of this from happening, saving female lives? I'd call that fact. Or were you getting at something else?
Men are actually at risk of developing penile and anal cancer as a result of HPV so it's not just a female issue.
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what are the beliefs here? i don't understand at all how vaccinations for cervical cancer violate any religious belief.

i am very confused.
The theory is that if you tell the girls that this vaccine will protect them from cervical cancer, they'll all become little hos and go out and have sex till they collapse.

I certainly would have done that myself!!
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Men are actually at risk of developing penile and anal cancer as a result of HPV so it's not just a female issue.
Thanks for the clarification, I wasn't aware of that. Do you have any information as to how great the risk is? Does it compare to female numbers?

Even more reason to vaccinate.
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The theory is that if you tell the girls that this vaccine will protect them from cervical cancer, they'll all become little hos and go out and have sex till they collapse.

I certainly would have done that myself!!


so people only abstain from sex because they're afraid of getting cancer?

i just don't understand. what if there were a vaccination that prevented HIV? would you give that to your children, or would you simply look them in the eye after they announced their status and said, "well, i told you so, and you know what? so did Jesus."
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What about parents that refuse to give their kids their normal childhood vaccines (MMR, HBV, etc) for religious reasons, fear of autism, etc - should they be held to the same ridicule that people that refuse to get the HPV vaccine for their kids?
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Thanks for the clarification, I wasn't aware of that. Do you have any information as to how great the risk is? Does it compare to female numbers?

Even more reason to vaccinate.


but the whole anal cancer thing ... you know that's only going to apply to the gays. so, really, who cares? not Jesus.
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what I don't understand is is HPV new or something? I don't recall hearing about it at all when I was in high school.... All of a sudden it's everywhere, what happened?

Did it exist before but was not diagnosed or called something else?
The virus has been around as long as all the other STDs (AIDS excepted). But the vaccine was just recently approved.
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What about parents that refuse to give their kids their normal childhood vaccines (MMR, HBV, etc) for religious reasons, fear of autism, etc - should they be held to the same ridicule that people that refuse to get the HPV vaccine for their kids?


i'm no doctor, obviously, but i'm going to guess that it's not quite so easy a parallel to draw.

still, there are some immunizations that are pretty much required by law, right? like polio, smallpox, etc.?

i do think it's easier to mock someone who refuses a vaccine that might, you know, prevent cancer because they think it will turn their daughter into a harlot as opposed to some people who believe that vaccinations cause autism.

ultimately, yes, it is a parent's choice, but then again, we hear just so much about how all children deserve their own biological mother and father to raise them and love them, but what if their own biological mother and fatherdo things that are objectively negligent to the child's health? do we say to a child, "sorry, i guess it sucks to be you and living in a household that puts your health at risk, but they are your own biological mother and father."

of course, we have laws about infants and car seats.
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What about parents that refuse to give their kids their normal childhood vaccines (MMR, HBV, etc) for religious reasons, fear of autism, etc - should they be held to the same ridicule that people that refuse to get the HPV vaccine for their kids?
Yes. And it's only by virtue of the majority of the population that do the responsible thing and get their children vaccinated that these diseases aren't making a resurgence.

Haven't studies shown time and time again that there's no link between autism and childhood vaccinations?
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Thanks for the clarification, I wasn't aware of that. Do you have any information as to how great the risk is? Does it compare to female numbers?

Even more reason to vaccinate.
Offhand I know that the rates of anal and penile cancers are relatively small compared to the rates of cervical cancer. Men carry the virus at a high rate, but there must be something about the viral mechanisms that make the cervix a better target than the penis and anus.
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