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Old 10-22-2011, 07:39 AM   #16
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Eh, I can't get too worked up over these scare pieces. I've read a little on the topic too and the impression is of a probably levelling-off after 2050. In the very long term, gentle demographic decline probably.

Here's a tip: independent of religious ideology or complaints about 'breeders', human populations (well, birthrates) tend to track the food supply. But it's not as simple as that. Changes in mortality have to be taken into account. There was a time, in Europe, when a family of 12 or 14 children would be not unusual. Many of them would not reach adulthood. After certain advances in public sanitation and later, vaccination, that obviously changed dramatically.

It's a complex picture. 'Education' is a small part of it I suspect. People have exactly as many kids (ok with some caveats) as they want to. You need a labour force to support your poverty-stricken family, and a ready made nursing care for your old age... and you live in a place or circumstance where basic mortality might claim some portion of your offspring in childhood... it is going to affect things.
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Old 10-22-2011, 10:13 AM   #17
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Stop breeding, people.
This was a conscious decision by my wife and I, no kids.
We may adopt someday (an older child, not an infant), and we have 3 nephews and a niece that my live with us from time to time as they get older.

I get that there is a biological urge to breed, but I'd like to see people stop at 2.
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Old 10-22-2011, 11:18 PM   #18
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Kieran, don't raise the tone of this thread too much with sensible posts now.

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This was a conscious decision by my wife and I, no kids.
We may adopt someday (an older child, not an infant), and we have 3 nephews and a niece that my live with us from time to time as they get older.

I get that there is a biological urge to breed, but I'd like to see people stop at 2.
Yeah, my two short quips in this thread probably mask the fact that my partner and I have made the same conscious decision to not have kids. We're still young though and open to the possibility that our feelings on the matter might be different in ten years, but given our mutual dislike for young children, I'm not sure our feelings will shift that much. I really don't think our lifestyle would suit children either.

But if we ever decide we do want children, I very much doubt the planet's over-population would dissuade us much, nor do I imagine it dissuades anybody else. So Cobbler's post above is fairly well on the money in that sense.
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Old 10-23-2011, 01:21 AM   #19
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Gosh, I guess we should stop giving people good health care and stuff too.

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This was a conscious decision by my wife and I, no kids.
We may adopt someday (an older child, not an infant), and we have 3 nephews and a niece that my live with us from time to time as they get older.

I get that there is a biological urge to breed, but I'd like to see people stop at 2.
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Though you can keep breeding all you like if your offspring turn out to be champion All Blacks.

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My main gripe is that there's too much traffic as it is.

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And God gave them his blessing and said to them, Be fertile and have increase, and make the earth full and be masters of it; be rulers over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing moving on the earth.

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God has GOT to put numbers down. "Full" by what standards? I think we were simultaneously full and masters somewhere around 1400.
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My neighbor has argued with me several times about how the "smart" people need to reproduce themselves to save the planet.

I don't drive in rush hour much, but when I'm sitting in a traffic jam, I'm not so stupid as to think the congestion is everyone else's fault.
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Old 10-24-2011, 04:14 PM   #24
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Yeah, it's just your fault. Get off the road.

On a more serious note, ZPG needs to get here sooner.

No mention of the disaster that is the One-Child Policy in China yet? FYM, I'm saddened. I thought it was something we could all agree on for once.
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The birth rate in the US is down significantly since 2008, since the recession started.
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Births peaked in my time of birth, 1990-1991. The class of May 2013 will be the largest graduating college class in US history.

And there will be no jobs! What a way to celebrate our parents getting it on in 1990.
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You can start you own business that handles negotiating the payoffs of defaulting student loans.
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No offense to Axver, but I have a hard time understanding how anyone could have a "dislike for young children". It's just baffling to me, especially since we all used to be children.

Of course, I'm speaking as someone who absolutely adores kids, although I don't think I want to have any of my own.
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You can start you own business that handles negotiating the payoffs of defaulting student loans.
I would start a business that consolidates student loans and then sells the bundles. Then, start a market for betting that the student loans will default.
It could be huge!
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A best-seller in the late 60's and early 70's.

And completely wrong. Wrong because they couldn't foresee technologies like irradiated and genetically modified food.

Two technologies, I might point out, opposed by what can only be described as anti-science liberals.
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