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Old 03-01-2009, 07:35 PM   #1
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Yes, climate change sceptics ARE denialists

So says George Monbiot:-

George Monbiot: Climate change – the semantics of denial | Environment | guardian.co.uk
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Old 03-01-2009, 08:31 PM   #2
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I have an idea,just get everyone in the world who owns one to crank their cars up and let them run for a few hours,and then lets see if the climate changes. Stupid sounding,isn`t it...?
I mean we are changing the climate,but we kinda need to stop somehow,I mean look at the mountains,they are slowly melting and that is scary in itself... Am I wrong?
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Which mountains are melting?
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Old 03-01-2009, 08:56 PM   #4
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"They claim they're sceptics – but when any explanation will do as long as it backs their theories, 'climate change deniers' is the only term good enough."


Realists?

Common sense?

Propaganda watchers?

Free thinkers?



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Old 03-01-2009, 09:03 PM   #5
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"They claim they're sceptics – but when any explanation will do as long as it backs their theories, 'climate change deniers' is the only term good enough."


Realists?

Common sense?

Propaganda watchers?

Free thinkers?



*Snowing like crazy down here in Dixie
Or perhaps simply questioners.

When I read comments on the Guardian by George Monbiot supporters telling blatant lies (for example, that there are no qualified scientists involved in climate change scepticism), I do wonder.

Monbiot's claim that climate change sceptics draw unwarranted conclusions from short term fluctuations in weather patterns is valid, but it would help if his supporters stopped doing the same thing (e.g., greater frequency of hurricanes in one year are claimed to be evidence of global warming, as widely proclaimed back in 2005)

Also noticed that the above blog post by Monbiot contains not a single piece of scientific evidence. One is almost tempted to think he is working for the denialists, in a cunning attempt to make the other side look unscientific.
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Why do people even deny climate change is happening? So they don't have to make any sort of effort into preventing it?
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Old 03-01-2009, 10:05 PM   #7
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Why do people even deny climate change is happening? So they don't have to make any sort of effort into preventing it?

Where is the climate change MooMoo?
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Er...climate change is global.
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I mean look at the mountains,they are slowly melting

you can't melt a mountain
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you can't melt a mountain
Go look up the Arctics...
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Go look up the Arctics...
Glaciers aren't moutains
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Old 03-03-2009, 11:52 AM   #12
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Climate Change: Breaking the "Political Consensus"

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The “Science” of Consensus

When addressing the issue of climate change, it is important to understand that climatic change is an important field of study in science. However, it is not an exact science, like all sciences. Our understanding of the climatic sciences is always changing, just as our understanding of all sciences changes. If our understanding of science does not change, we would still think that the Earth was flat and the Sun revolved around our little planet. When these great achievements in science were first discovered, the scientists who discovered them were attacked, denounced, or even imprisoned.

There is an enormous political, social and economic interest in a scientific consensus, because it determines our understanding of our environment and all that is in it, including humanity, itself. A challenge to a perceived consensus is a challenge to all the powers in human society, as it can take a person’s understanding of the world we live in, and flip it upside down. This encourages people to think “outside the box,” fosters creativity and to be critical thinkers. This can ultimately threaten any power structure, as people may come to understand the forces that seek to control our lives. A consensus is an amazing tool in the hands of elites to control and manipulate people. And challenging a consensus is an amazing tool for people to remain free and independent thinkers.

This does not mean that any perceived consensus is inaccurate or completely manipulated. But it is important to understand how such a consensus can be used. It is also vital to understand that without questioning and challenging a scientific consensus, science would never advance. The key to scientific discovery is being able to change your perspective as the science changes. This is why debate on climate change must not be simply reduced to a one-sided debate; those who “know there is a problem,” and those who are “deniers.” All sides must be heard, so that we can come to a better understanding of the issue.
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Conclusion

I won’t state exactly what is causing climate change on our planet, as the reality is that there are many answers to that question; the Sun, cosmic rays, ocean currents and other natural phenomena, etc. However, it is safe to say that the wealth of science points to a natural change in our climate, and the entire history of the world and of all humanity supports this hypothesis. Throughout history, as in the earliest African civilizations, it was the ability of different peoples to change and adapt to climate change, which determined their survival as a civilization.

Today, we are trying to fight it. This is a dangerous road to walk, and history will not look kindly upon our scientific ignorance and politically fear-driven society. How will we be viewed in the future? How have we viewed the people of the past who thought the Earth was flat, or the Sun revolved around Earth?

Trying to fight and stop a natural phenomenon is possibly one of the most ignorant and dangerous things humanity has ever engaged in. How would history view a civilization that tried to reverse the spinning of the Earth, or the blowing of wind? It is a recipe for the fall of a civilization.

Much of the people in the world have been riled up with predictions of a catastrophic end to mankind and the world unless we don’t do something about so-called “man-made” climate change. Ironically enough, our refusal to adapt to a changing world, and instead a determination to fight it with our efforts to “go green” and “carbon neutral” may, in fact, cause the catastrophic end of our civilization. And sadly, in this instance, it would undeniably be a man-made disaster.
Looks like someone's planning for a rainy day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard_Global_Seed_Vault
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RE: Climate Change: Breaking the "Political Consensus" from AliEnvys post

Er yeah, all the shit we're spewing into the atmosphere isnt "Natural".

Yes, to some degree it happens naturally, but we are MAKING IT WORSE. Im pretty sure the "earliest African civilisations" didnt have cars or factories.

This isnt about "ooh society is trying to scare me!" this is about common bloody sense and educating yourself.

If someone honestly looks at the fumes given off cars, power plants, and anything for that matter, and think "oh la de dee, its all natural, the Earth will fix it and we'll all adapt!" then quite frankly, you're an imbecile.

LEARN about these things PLEASE. Don't just dismiss them as society using scare tactics.
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I know this has been said before but even if half the shit they say is completely made up is there something wrong with looking after the planet?
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