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Old 09-22-2010, 09:55 AM   #106
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Your point about private businesses is valid, except that I guess I would argue that the military is a little different from most other private institutions-taking into account what the military is supposed to be for and how it's supposed to help defend our rights and such, it seems strange and hypocritical then for that very organization to deny people who want to fight the ability to do so, especially for something like this.

As for Lady GaGa, I understand your point there, too, but it sounds like the reception was strong when she spoke, and she also brought those members of the military who were kicked out as her dates to the VMAs, and they didn't seem too bothered by being associated with her, so who knows?

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"If you are not honorable enough to fight without prejudice, go home," she shouted.
That's something I was thinking about when I was watching the news last night. Nowadays the military is voluntary, it's not a draft anymore. So I guess if working alongside gay people really bothers somebody THAT much, then, um, don't join up? Find some other way to serve your country? There's lots of options out there. And if you do join the military, you're going to encounter beliefs and lifestyles and cultures you don't agree with. That's life. Guess you'll have to decide whether or not you can deal with that.

Also, for all the insanity that is Congress, can I just say this: God bless Al Franken. I heard snippets of his speech during the meeting for this yesterday, and I wanted to applaud him (hell, when he got choked up it got me a bit choked up). It was really refreshing to see a moment of sanity amongst these proceedings. It's sad that it's taking a guy who used to be on "SNL" to state such obvious facts, but hey, if that's what it takes, well...

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Old 09-22-2010, 03:35 PM   #107
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As for Lady Gaga, seriously, great musician, but I suspect the last thing gay soldiers want is to have her as their representative. It just lends weight to the prejudice that gays are only interested in dressing up and flamboyance.
She is despicable. (and not really a great musican)

She is constantly using gays for her own advantage at their expense.
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She is despicable. (and not really a great musican)

She is constantly using gays for her own advantage at their expense.


at least she's better than the Clintons/Democratic Party/HRC/Obama.

and not to worry, folks -- the hundred thousand or so gay soldiers will continue to fight and die for a country that views them as less than human.
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Old 09-23-2010, 09:52 AM   #109
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Harvard links ROTC return to end of ‘don’t ask’

By Tracy Jan, Boston Globe Staff | September 23, 2010

Harvard University, which expelled ROTC four decades ago, will welcome the military training program back to campus only when the ban on openly gay and lesbian service members is repealed, the university’s president said yesterday.

Harvard’s president, Drew Gilpin Faust, speaking the day after the US Senate declined to take up a measure that would have repealed the “don’t ask, don’t tell’’ policy, said vestiges of antimilitarism on campus dating to the Vietnam War are largely gone and she would now welcome the opportunity to “regularize our relationship’’ with the armed forces.

“We are very much looking forward to the end of ‘don’t ask, don’t tell,’ ’’ Faust said. “It will be a very important moment to us when that happens.’’

Harvard’s strained relationship with the military has been controversial for years, and came to the nation’s attention again in June, when the Senate grilled a former Harvard Law School dean, Elena Kagan, about a period when that school barred military recruiters. The Senate went on to confirm Kagan as a Supreme Court justice.

Harvard had expelled ROTC from campus in 1969, amid protests against the Vietnam War. Today, Faust said, there is only one reason ROTC is barred from campus: The issue is “entirely linked to ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ ’’ She said Harvard bars discrimination by all undergraduate groups.

But Harvard students do participate in ROTC, with the university’s blessing, by joining the program at MIT. And Faust, like Summers before her, has actively engaged Harvard’s military community, attending the commissioning ceremonies of ROTC graduates and publicly displaying support. Last night, Faust invited ROTC cadets to appear with her at Fenway Park when she threw out the first pitch at the Red Sox game.





Can you spot the gay soldier?

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Old 09-23-2010, 01:01 PM   #110
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She is despicable. (and not really a great musican)

She is constantly using gays for her own advantage at their expense.
I always get that feeling as well. Like at the VMA's, when she brought the gay soldiers who were discharged. Of course she would do that. She wouldn't do something like bring a straight soldier with her as her escort, because whats the point in that? I feel bad for them, for being discharged and for being used by her.
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Of course she would do that. She wouldn't do something like bring a straight soldier with her as her escort, because whats the point in that?
Well what would be the point? Is support for straight soldiers that still have their job somehow under represented?


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I feel bad for them, for being discharged and for being used by her.
Yes, I'm sure they were forced. She gave them a platform, it was their choice to take it or not...
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Well what would be the point? Is support for straight soldiers that still have their job somehow under represented?
No, but what I'm saying is that it comes across that the only fact she cares about is that they were discharged for being gay. idk, its just how I see it. At any rate I don't like her.
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From what I understand, she actually does a lot to support the LGBT community.
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No, but what I'm saying is that it comes across that the only fact she cares about is that they were discharged for being gay. idk, its just how I see it. At any rate I don't like her.
But what's wrong with that? She sees it as an injustice and she's trying to shine a light on it. That's it plain and simple. When you get discharged for being white, straight or male then I'm sure she and I would stand with you.
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But what's wrong with that? She sees it as an injustice and she's trying to shine a light on it. That's it plain and simple. When you get discharged for being white, straight or male then I'm sure she and I would stand with you.
There's nothing wrong with it per say, it's just that it comes across that she doesn't have a strong support for the armed forces, just those that are gay. And you can't be disqualified because of race or gender..
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There's nothing wrong with it per say, it's just that it comes across that she doesn't have a strong support for the armed forces, just those that are gay.
I figured that's where you were going. Not sure if there is any evidence that supports this.

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And you can't be disqualified because of race or gender..
Kinda my point. Why should one be discharged for being born gay, but not for being born white?
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Kinda my point. Why should one be discharged for being born gay, but not for being born white?
It's not that black and white (no pun intended), however I really don't care for the current policy. :/

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I figured that's where you were going. Not sure if there is any evidence that supports this.
Yeah I know, and I'm sure deep down she really does, but still
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There's nothing wrong with it per say, it's just that it comes across that she doesn't have a strong support for the armed forces, just those that are gay.

so do the gay parts count less than the other parts of the Armed Forces?

seems all they're asking for is to be treated like anyone else. after all, not being required by law to lie about fairly fundamental details about one's life would certainly lift a great burden from the 100,000+ gay soldiers, and they'd probably do an even better job than they already do.
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There's nothing wrong with it per say, it's just that it comes across that she doesn't have a strong support for the armed forces
Curious as to how you figure that?

I'm not seeing this as exploitation, either. Just another voice of support more than anything .

Interesting decision on Harvard's part. I don't know how much sway their actions will hold in regards to solving the problem, but hopefully the message will get out there to somebody. I looked at that picture underneath, and yeah, it's awfully hard to tell who's who there, isn't it?

Looking at that picture of the coffins just further points out how utterly insane it is that of ALL the issues surrounding the military we could be fretting over, this is the one that gets some people all bothered. It's amazing how screwed up some people's priorities are.

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Sen. John McCain's wife Cindy appears in a new ad that harshly criticizes the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy, and government officials and religious leaders generally, over what she and others describe as complicity in the bullying that has led to a rash of highly-publicized suicides among gay youth.

The Republican senator from Arizona has spearheaded opposition to legislative repeal of the military's ban on openly gay servicemembers in the upper chamber, vowing to filibuster if necessary a bill similar to the one that passed the House earlier this year. In the ad from the NOH8 campaign -- an activist group formed in response to Proposition 8, the California ballot measure that banned same-sex marriage -- Cindy McCain seems to be suggesting that her husband is partly responsible for the bullying that has claimed a number of gay teens' lives.

"Our political and religious leaders tell LGBT youth that they have no future," Mrs. McCain says in the ad, which features her alongside celebrities such as Denise Richards and Gene Simmons. "They can't serve our country openly."

After other speakers suggest that laws which limit the rights of gay Americans reinforce that derogatory treatment of them is acceptable, Cindy McCain asks rhetorically, "Our government treats the LGBT community like second class citizens -- why shouldn't they?"

YouTube - An Anti-Bullying Message From the NOH8 Campaign
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