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Old 05-25-2010, 02:06 PM   #46
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If everything in that article is accurate he doesn't seem to understand what's going on

Or he's being pressured somehow into voting no..I don't know, don't get it
The Tea Party folks that got him the chair don't understand and they are the ones pressuring him.
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Old 05-25-2010, 02:07 PM   #47
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there is a R following his name
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Old 05-25-2010, 02:13 PM   #48
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there is a R following his name
But he's supposed to be Miss Independent-I-don't-just-vote-along-party-lines

Now I can't get that song out of my head. And I admit it, I'm thinking about that Cosmo picture too (not in THAT way)
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Old 05-25-2010, 02:28 PM   #49
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This vote won't cost him.

He got elected as GOP.

He said would not vote 100 per cent party.

Last week he voted with Dems on finance reform

Republican Scott Brown crosses aisle to help Democrats with financial regulation vote | D.C. Now
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80% of Americans support the repeal. WTF is the big deal?
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I guess "multiple officers and enlisted personnel" say otherwise. I don't know how he could possibly speak to enough of them in order to have a representative sample.

He isn't paying attention to his own polls Or to public opinion at all, I guess
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partisan politics

i'll bet a majority supported the Bush bailout in fall of 2008


but it cost Bennett UT and Crist their GOP primaries


Scott can not get reelected in MA if he does not survive a GOP primary
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there is a R following his name
This is it. I don't understand how people who keep voting for Republicans keep acting surprised when the elected people act like Republicans!
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I still find it ironic that the Republicans are always the ones who want to have such tough restrictions imposed on things relating to homosexuality. This from the party of so-called "small government interference".

And James Inhofe is a fucking moron. Talk about warped thinking-that's not even close to being true about the military no matter what the situation. When it all comes down to it, they will defend each other to the death and lay their lives on the line for each other, and don't care a whit about anything else at that moment and time. I'm no military expert by any means and even I know that.

I really hope this thing gets repealed-keep pushing on, Obama. It's utterly insane we're still having a debate about this stuff at all. And studies-why the hell are we doing "studies". What in God's name is there to study? Life's WAY too short for people to overanalyze about things like this.

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once it happens, no one will even notice.

all that removing DADT will do is enable gay people to NOT HAVE TO LIE, that's all.

of late, i've become fairly good friends with a guy who is somewhat high up in the ranks and does really complex work at the NIH, goes to work in uniform, is a career officer, etc. and if it were discovered that he were gay, he says he could go to prison. now, if any of you were to talk to him, you'd know he was gay. yet, he can't have any online presence on any gay-interest website, he's very restrictive with his facebook profile and what can and cannot be posted on it, he has no pictures of his boyfriend at work, he doesn't talk about his weekend, he doesn't talk about his social life, he doesn't talk about visiting colleges with his boyfriend and his BF's teenage son, and all because if it got out he could blow his entire career.

all that the repeal of DADT would change is that he won't have to lie and construct these awful barriers between his work life and his personal life with the threat of being discharged (or jailed, so he claims, though i'm not sure how that works) hanging over his head.
If he does seem to think jail is something he'd have to worry about, that's really, really depressing. I don't think I've heard anything about jail time being a threat, just the threat of discharge, which still sucks as well, but if he is right about jail...wow.

I've also heard it understood that if somebody who is gay is serving in the military, if they get hurt or killed, or have a loved one who is hurt or killed, because they aren't "recognized" as being in a relationship, so to speak, they or their loved one is going to have a harder time being notified. I'm sure it also affects benefits for their partners, too. And that's just really sad. Really sad and really horribly pathetic. There's no reason your friend should have to go through life that way. I hope his days of having to hide will come to a swift end.

If I were a Democrat running this fall, I would use this as ammunition against the Republicans: "They say they're the 'support the troops' party, they say they're the ones who you should trust in terms of national defense and keeping us safe, but they're the ones who think it's perfectly fine to discharge totally capable men and women who could do and are doing things to keep us safe, all because of their sexual orientation." The Democrats really should do more things like that-I'd be thrilled to hear that on TV.

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Republicans and even Tea Baggers are only small government in word, only when it suits their needs.

Even our fellow libertarians aren't truly "small government".
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it's going to be gone by the end of the year.
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this is also very insightful, was on Chris Matthews last night:


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Gay Soldier on DADT: "I Will Risk My Life; I Ask to Be Treated Simply Like Anyone Else in the Service."


Let me finish tonight with a letter from a soldier fighting in Afghanistan.

"I found out this soldier under my command was gay. I learned about it after he died, when his longtime partner wrote to me, not knowing my orientation, to tell me how much this staff sergeant had loved the army; how we were the only family he'd ever known.

In my own life, my partner has none of the privileges of a spouse. We have weathered three long deployments like any other couple might. My partner and I have happily accepted my various assignments because we're truly committed to the army, its soldiers and their families. But after our ten years together, my partner has earned the right to be told first about my death. He has earned the right to be recognized for his sacrifices just as any other spouse.

I deeply believe that America is fighting the right fight in Afghanistan. I believe in this battle against our enemies. And, I believe that the US Army is the single greatest force for good the world has ever known.

But I want to tell the guys I eat lunch with every day about my partner. After all, these are the guys I risk my life with -- the guys who think they know me. I can tell you every detail of how each of them met their wives; how one of them still feels guilty about an affair he never had, but thought about; how one of them cried so hard the day his son was born.

Yet they don't know much about my life. Over the years, I have become good at evading and changing subjects artfully. To slip up -- using the wrong pronoun when describing whom I was with during R&R, or mentioning who I talked to on Skype last night -- is no longer something I worry about. I have become so good at this lying game it eats at my soul.

A week ago, two of my friends were killed in a bombing. The days since then have bled into each other. It is usually not until the evening that I allow myself to think about these things. I will risk my life; I ask to be treated simply like anyone else in the service -- nothing more and nothing less."

That's from a serviceman fighting for his country.

I'd like to tell you his name so you could send him a note of support. You might want to call instead a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee which votes tomorrow on "Don't ask; don't tell." Here's the phone number for the US Senate: 202-224-3121.
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"I ask to be treated simply like anyone else in the service -- nothing more and nothing less."
What a novel idea, huh?

I loved the part where the soldier mentioned all the stuff he knew about his straight friends. The topic of thinking about cheating on your spouse is okay to discuss, but heaven forbid a gay person mention their new boyfriend they're madly in love with? Yeah, that's fair. People say they don't want to hear about their love lives-well, there's stuff about straight people's love lives I don't want to hear, either.

I don't have a phone on me at the moment, but if there's an online link for this specific issue, I'll gladly go and share my thoughts. Thanks for sharing that, Irvine (and yay to Chris Matthews for sharing it with the nation, too).

Also, my condolances to that soldier on the loss of his friends. May they and the other soldier mentioned in that piece who died rest in peace. Thanks to you all for your fine service to the country.

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Watching House C-Span live, the Murphy amendment will end DTDA.

The vote is coming up latter today. Requires Senate vote, too.
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14,000 people have been forced out of the U S military since then because of their sexual orientation.
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