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Old 05-05-2010, 09:08 AM   #31
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Maybe some men who think all women are attracted to them think that all gay men are too. They're just too irresistible. And of course all gay men just think about sex and want to have sex with any and every guy 24/7, so there you go.
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Old 05-14-2010, 01:35 PM   #32
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Gay people, that third group (WTF?), just wouldn't be worth fighting and dying for.


Think Progress � Inhofe Says U.S. Soldiers Will Be Unwilling To Fight And Die For Their Gay Comrades

INHOFE: For those of us — and I’m one of them — who have gone through the military, gone through basic training, and you stop and think — it just doesn’t make any sense. Second of all, it’s just not working. You have women, men, then you have a third group to deal with, and they’re not equipped to do that.

And you know — you hear the stories all the time. A military guy — I happen to be Army, and Army and Marines always feel that when we’re out there, we’re not doing it for the flag or the country; we’re doing it for the guy in the next foxhole. And that would dramatically change that.

Inhofe shouldn’t assume that all members of the military are as homophobic as he is. A December 2006 survey of servicemembers who had served in Iraq or Afghanistan found that 73 percent of those polled were “comfortable with lesbians and gays.” The Servicemembers Legal Defense Network has reported that more than 500 U.S. soldiers are “out” to their colleagues and continue to serve. When Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Michael Mullen announced his personal belief that now is the time to repeal DADT, he cited the fact that he has served with gay comrades since 1968.

“I also believe that the great young men and women of our military can and would accommodate such a change,” he added, giving members of the military more credit than Inhofe did. “I never underestimate their ability to adapt.”

YouTube - Sen. Inhofe: Soldiers Will Be Unwilling To Fight For Gay Comrades
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Why is it that those with the most closed minds always have their damn mouths open?
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Old 05-14-2010, 02:33 PM   #35
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Not surprising, though, coming from a person who actively supported a law initiative in Uganda to introduce the death sentence for openly gay people.
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Old 05-14-2010, 03:02 PM   #36
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Think Progress � Inhofe Says U.S. Soldiers Will Be Unwilling To Fight And Die For Their Gay Comrades and Some Unattractive Obese People.
(basically anyone normal people would find sexually undesirable)
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How do these people sleep at night?
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Old 05-14-2010, 06:58 PM   #38
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How do these people sleep at night?
Probably very well.

They wear their bigotry as a badge of honour.

In other news:

Gay Marriage Opponents Inch Closer to Death - The Sexist - Washington City Paper
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Old 05-15-2010, 01:54 AM   #39
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if someone doesn't want to join the armed forces for fear of having to fight alongside one of "them thar homos", then fine. don't enlist. there's no active draft, no one's forcing anyone to do anything.
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Effort To Repeal 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Picks Up Steam : NPR

here we go?
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Obama endorses 'don't ask, don't tell' compromise in Congress

By Michael D. Shear
Monday, May 24, 2010; 8:36 PM

President Obama has signed on to a "don't ask, don't tell" compromise between lawmakers and the Defense Department, the White House announced Monday, an agreement that removes a key obstacle to repealing the military's policy banning gays and lesbians from serving openly in the armed forces.

Under the compromise, finalized in a series of meetings Monday at the White House and on Capitol Hill, lawmakers will vote in the next several days on a repeal of the Clinton-era policy. If it passes, that action would not go into effect until the Pentagon completes a study about its impact on the troops.

In a letter to lawmakers pushing for a legislative repeal, the White House wrote Monday that "such an approach recognizes the critical need to allow our military and their families the full opportunity to inform and shape the implementation process through a thorough understanding of their concerns, insights and suggestions."

Gay rights advocates hailed the White House decision as a "dramatic breakthrough" that they predicted would dismantle the policy once and for all. In a statement, Human Rights Campaign President Joe Solmonese said the announcement "paves the path to fulfill the President's call to end 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' this year and puts us one step closer to removing this stain from the laws of our nation."

The move also injects a highly controversial social issue back into the national conversation, even as lawmakers begin to gear up for their fall reelection campaigns.

Conservative lawmakers have vowed to fight the effort to end the policy. Arizona Sen. John McCain (R), who had previously supported repeal, said at a recent congressional hearing that "Don't Ask" was "imperfect but effective" and that "we should not be seeking to overturn."

Several conservative Democrats in Congress have said they would oppose a repeal unless military leaders made clear that they approved of such a change. That signal has been on hold as the Pentagon completes its study of the ramifications.

At the same time, liberal lawmakers had been pushing for an immediate repeal. The White House endorsement of the compromise is designed to satisfy both concerns and earn their support for a deferred repeal.

"We can live with this, and we're asking enthusiastically members to support and vote for it," said Aubrey Sarvis, executive director of the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network.

one step closer to removing this stain from the laws of our nation
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once it happens, no one will even notice.

all that removing DADT will do is enable gay people to NOT HAVE TO LIE, that's all.

of late, i've become fairly good friends with a guy who is somewhat high up in the ranks and does really complex work at the NIH, goes to work in uniform, is a career officer, etc. and if it were discovered that he were gay, he says he could go to prison. now, if any of you were to talk to him, you'd know he was gay. yet, he can't have any online presence on any gay-interest website, he's very restrictive with his facebook profile and what can and cannot be posted on it, he has no pictures of his boyfriend at work, he doesn't talk about his weekend, he doesn't talk about his social life, he doesn't talk about visiting colleges with his boyfriend and his BF's teenage son, and all because if it got out he could blow his entire career.

all that the repeal of DADT would change is that he won't have to lie and construct these awful barriers between his work life and his personal life with the threat of being discharged (or jailed, so he claims, though i'm not sure how that works) hanging over his head.

it's simply wrong. end of story.
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Old 05-25-2010, 01:27 PM   #43
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By Bryan Bender and Matt Viser, Boston Globe Staff

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Scott Brown will vote against repealing 'Don't Ask Don't Tell' when it comes up for a vote Thursday in the Senate Armed Services Committee, dealing a blow to gay rights advocates who were hoping the freshman Republican would support efforts to permit gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military, The Globe's Political Intelligence blog has learned.

Brown's highly anticipated decision comes after President Obama and Democratic leaders struck a deal Monday night to overcome Pentagon resistance to changing the law before a top level review of how to implement a new policy is completed by Dec. 1.

The deal, outlined in a letter to Congress from the White House Office of Management and Budget, stipulates that any congressional repeal would not go into effect until the Pentagon review is completed.

But Brown says that while he is keeping "an open mind" on future efforts, he believes any vote for repeal should be put off until the Pentagon has time to formulate a plan for implementing any new policy.

"I am keeping an open mind, but I do not support moving ahead until I am able to finish my review, the Pentagon completes its study, and we can be assured that a new policy can be implemented without jeopardizing the mission of our military," Brown said in a statement provided to the Globe.

Brown, who is also a lieutentant colonel in the Massachusetts National Guard, said he came to his decision after hearing the views of multiple officers and enlisted personnel.

"For some time now, I have been seeking the opinions and recommendations of service chiefs, commanders in the field, and, most importantly, our junior soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines," he said in the statement. "I believe we have a responsibility to the men and women of our armed forces to be thorough in our consideration of this issue and take their opinions seriously."

But it appears to buck the vast majority of Massachusetts voters, according to a poll released today. The Brown DADT Memo of 500 registered voters, conducted by Brown's pollster, Neil Newhouse for the Human Rights Campaign, found that 77 percent of Bay State voters supports repeal. Meanwhile, it found that 62 percent of voters who backed Brown in the January special election support overturning the current law, as do 67 percent of registered independents who voted for him.

Criticism from some gay rights groups was swift and unsparing. "The notion that the senator from Massachusetts -- the first state in the nation to have marriage equality and one of the first states to have an antidiscrimination law -- would oppose ending discrimination against gays military personnel is reprehensible," said Arline Isaacson, co-chair of the Massachusetts Gay and Lesbian Political Caucus.

She said she was particularly surprised at Brown's explanation because the proposals for repeal in Congress stipulate that the Pentagon review would have to be completed before a new policy would take effect.

"What possible excuse could he have other than brazen prejudice?" Isaacson declared.

Susan Ryan-Vollmar of MassEquality.org, a grassroots organization, said she, too, is puzzled by Brown's reasoning. "The Pentagon review is not studying whether to do this but how to do this."

Clark Cooper, executive director of the Log Cabin Republicans in Washington, the gay rights group that has been lobbying Brown for his support on the issue, said he believes the vote planned for this week "would support the work the Pentagon is doing."

"Log Cabin Republicans are disappointed that he will not support clearing this arcane policy off the decks," said Cooper, an Army Reserve captain and Iraq War veteran.

The Pentagon review, established by Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates in March, is designed to determine any changes in personnel policies, benefits, and the military justice system that might be needed to ensure openly gay service does not disrupt military operations and gay troops are not discriminated against.

Gates has insisted it is not meant to guage whether they support overturning the 1993 that only permits gays to serve if they keep their sexual orientation secret.

Gates' spokesman said earlier today that the Pentagon chief is relieved that Democrats have agreed that any repeal would not go into effect until after the Pentagon review, but said he remains concerned about moving too quickly.

"Secretary Gates continues to believe that ideally the DOD review should be
completed before there is any legislation to repeal the Don't Ask Don't Tell
law," Geoff Morrell said in a statement. "With Congress having indicated that is not possible, the Secretary can accept the language in the proposed amendment."

Brown's opposition makes Sen. Susan Collins, Republican of Maine, the only GOP member to express support for the repeal measure in the committee, which Democrats plan to attach to this year's defense spending bill.

A separate vote on repeal before the full House of Representatives is also scheduled for Thursday.

Aubrey Sarvis, executive director of the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, which has represented some of the 13,000 troops that have been discharged under the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy since 1994, said he believes it is still possible for Brown to change his mind.

"I hope he realizes his concerns are addressed," Sarvis said. "It is very hard for me to see a senator from the Bay State voting against repeal."
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I've been trying to ease off from knee-jerk reactions about politics, but I can't help it in this case.

What a dickhead.
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Old 05-25-2010, 01:52 PM   #45
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If everything in that article is accurate he doesn't seem to understand what's going on

Or he's being pressured somehow into voting no..I don't know, don't get it
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