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Old 12-23-2010, 12:33 AM   #226
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I started thinking about that very issue after the official repeal of DADT, too, Irvine. I have absolutely no problem believing gay couples will be allowed to marry/adopt nationwide in the next few years. It sounds to me, from that interview, like he's figuring out how to slowly work on making that stuff legal in ways that will make it much harder for the opposition to get a chance to fight back and try and stop it, or overturn it. I'd love for him to come right out and just declare that stuff legal tomorrow, but it doesn't work that way, and he knows that. He's sneakier than people give him credit for, I really do believe that.

And Barney Frank kicks ass .

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Old 12-23-2010, 03:48 PM   #227
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I started thinking about that very issue after the official repeal of DADT, too, Irvine. I have absolutely no problem believing gay couples will be allowed to marry/adopt nationwide in the next few years.
I think the chance of this happening in the next few years is zero, to be honest.

There isn't the public support for it, nationally, there isn't political support, and the judiciary has been stacked against this and other progressive issues.

There will be many more countries in this world before it happens in the US.
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Old 01-01-2011, 11:28 PM   #228
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just for clarification, i believe gays can adopt in all states, even now Florida.

adopting from other countries -- Russia, Vietnam, Guatemala -- is an issue.

within the next few years we'll see marriage equality in CA, NY, RI, NJ and MD, possibly.
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Navy to relieve officer of duty over lewd videos - U.S. news - Life - Military - msnbc.com

This guys career is over, and so it should be.
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Disgusting-what a loser

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Old 01-04-2011, 09:39 AM   #231
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Um, in what context is that appropriate?

Navy Videos Taken Out of Context, Female Navy Flier Says - ABC News
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Old 01-04-2011, 10:25 AM   #232
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(CNN) – Normally, it’s what Sarah Palin tweets that makes news. This time it’s what she has re-tweeted.

The former Alaska governor Monday relayed a comment from gay conservative pundit Tammy Bruce, who was expressing her criticism over continued Republican opposition to the Don’t Ask Don’t Tell military policy that won congressional repeal late last month.

Now the political world is wondering just what Palin meant to express.

"But this hypocrisy is just truly too much. Enuf already–the more someone complains about the homos the more we should look under their bed,” Bruce’s original tweet read that was subsequently relayed by Palin.

Bruce was thrilled with Palin’s re-tweet, saying it constitutes a clear signal the former Republican vice presidential nominee is a friend of the gay community.

“I think @SarahPalinUSA RT my tweet is her first comment on DADT, treatment of gays & attempts to marginalize us–thank you Governor,” Bruce replied.

The Republican pro-gay rights group GOProud, of which Bruce holds a leadership role, also highlighted Palin's “Gay Friendly” tweet Tuesday in an e-mail to reporters.

Palin hasn't said anything more on the issue so it remains unclear exactly what she meant to convey, but the re-tweet is a rare comment from Palin when it comes to any issue involving gay rights – a likely hot-button issue in upcoming Republican primary presidential campaign given the recent repeal of the longrunning military policy that forbade gay service members to serve openly.

It could also be a sign the former Alaska governor's stance on social issues beyond that of abortion is less understood by Republicans and Democrats alike than was previously believed.
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Old 01-04-2011, 11:50 AM   #233
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How much does one want to bet that she didn't understand the comment and just re-tweeted it because it used "homos" in it?
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Old 03-09-2011, 09:09 AM   #234
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Dont Ask, Don't Tell: Navy to Discharge Sailor for Falling Asleep in Bed With Another Man - ABC News

A Navy petty officer facing discharge for falling asleep in bed with another male sailor last month says his ouster is motivated by homophobia, not a legitimate crime, a claim that has some gay rights advocates worried about life after "don't ask don't tell."

Stephen Jones, 21, a student at the Naval Nuclear Power Training Command in Charleston, S.C., says he and friend Brian McGee inadvertently fell asleep together while watching the "Vampire Diaries" on a computer in his quarters Feb. 6.

Jones was wearing pajama pants and a white t-shirt, laying on top of the covers; McGee was in boxer shorts under the blanket on Jones' twin bed, according to both men's account of the situation.

When Jones' roommate, Tyler Berube, walked in shortly after midnight, the sleepy sailors woke up, got dressed and went back to their rooms.

Several days later, however, Jones and McGee were cited with dereliction of duty for "willfully failing to exhibit professional conduct in his room," according to the Navy report specifying the charges.

McGee accepted the charge and received docked pay. But when Jones refused to accept a penalty, instead hoping for a court martial to prove his innocence, he was ordered separated from the Navy for good.

While there was no evidence of homosexual conduct presented in the statements given by the three men to military investigators, Jones and his civilian attorney Gary Meyers believe homophobic suspicions were motivation for the charge.

"The roommate is concerned about what he sees, even though he sees nothing," Meyers said. "And his statement doesn't indicate he saw anything. Two men woke up and they left the room. It's a bizarre overreaction."

Meyers contends that because the command had too little evidence to start an investigation under "don't ask, don't tell," which is still technically military policy, it used a subterfuge to achieve the same result.

"I asked several times about what was unprofessional about what I did, and every time they said it's just unprofessional. Period," said Jones, who is appealing the decision.

"Guys are always playing video games, watching movies, in other people's quarters," Jones said. "Brian and I hung out on a regular basis. Curfew was 2 a.m. We woke up between 12 and 12:30, and were back in our rooms before 1. I have never been in trouble ever in all of my life."

A copy of the Navy's investigative report confirms that Berube discovered the two men asleep in bed, well before the 2 a.m. curfew Feb. 6, but does not detail how Jones or McGee may have exhibited unprofessional behavior.

A spokesman for the Naval Nuclear Training Command did not respond to ABC News' requests for comment but told the Washington Post, which first reported on the case, that "the determination was that two sailors sharing the same rack was unprofessional."

Attorney Meyers said, "If this is a problem, every kid who was ever in a fraternity or sorority or in a dorm room, wearing boxers and sitting on the bed, is going to have to look at their conduct again."

Calls to Capt. Thomas Bailey, the commanding officer, were not returned.

Case Highlights Potential for Discrimination

Gay rights advocates say it's premature to know whether the case is an isolated incident involving potential homophobic bias or illustrative of a broader trend.

But some of them are concerned about what could be coming as the military moves ahead with implementing a repeal of "don't ask, don't tell."

"The Navy has already found a way to kick out suspected gays, even without using the DADT policy," John Aravosis wrote of the case on AmericaBlog.

"And the sailors in question have no choice but to hire civilian lawyers to defend them because sexual orientation isn't included in the Pentagon's non-discrimination policies, and won't be even if DADT is fully repealed this year."

Aravosis wants President Obama to sign an executive order adding the military to the existing federal policy that bans discrimination based on sexual orientation.

"We have to be on guard that some commanders don't come up with creative ways to go against the repeal," said Aubrey Sarvis, executive director of the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network. "No commander should look for a phony charge against a gay or suspected gay sailor in a post-repeal world. The issue that should always be on the table is conduct, not sexual orientation."

As for Jones, who declined to comment on whether he is gay, the case clearly demonstrates an abuse of power, regardless of his perceived sexual orientation.

"Anybody could be separated on these terms," he said. "It's very vague. I have done nothing wrong."
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It's viewer restricted because it's a liquor ad, I presume. You can watch the ad on this link. Of course you could have a male soldier come home and kiss his gf or wife-no man kissing though.

Budweiser 'Coming Home' Video: Gay Military Theme? (VIDEO)

Budweiser released a new military-themed ad on Tuesday, and some are speculating that it is aimed at the gay community.

The ad, which is viewer-restricted on YouTube, shows a soldier calling a man and saying, "it's me. I'm coming home." It then shows a split screen, with the soldier getting ready to go home and the man preparing a party for him. At the end of the ad, the man is at the front of a group of people welcoming the soldier home, and the two hug.

All of this got the site After Elton wondering if Budweiser had essentially crafted the first-ever post-Don't Ask Don't Tell gay military ad. "Is the commercial intentionally gay or not?" the site mused. "Well, only Budweiser knows for sure, but if you substituted a woman for PB, it would read pretty much exactly like a heterosexual relationship."
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Old 04-27-2011, 04:36 PM   #236
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So when will they have an ad with a female soldier coming home to a party thrown by her male partner?

Anyway, it's some kind of progress, I guess.
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I've seen the commercial on TV maybe twice. I didn't really get that impression (I assumed it was his brother, though maybe I wasn't paying enough attention). I guess people can interpret it any way they want.
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goodbye forever, DADT.

you were a stupid and senseless policy.

thank you President Obama, and thank you Joe Lieberman.
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So next week we can expect pink uniforms and a mass exodus of men who can't shower in front of each other right?
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goodbye forever, DADT.

you were a stupid and senseless policy.

thank you President Obama, and thank you Joe Lieberman.

you really miss the point

in 1992 DTDA was a huge risk for Bill Clinton.
He paid a huge price for initiating it.

Without DADT there would not have been a case to be made that gays are capable of serving.
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