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Old 12-18-2010, 03:54 PM   #181
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Senators voted 63 to 33 to proceed with debate on the bill, and a final vote is scheduled for 3 p.m. With the lobsided procedural vote, the likelihood that the ban will be repealed is very high.
99 votes there ^


and then when the final vote came
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It passed the Senate in a 65-31 vote.
only 96?

where did 3 Senators go?

My guess is 3 of the no voters, did not want to go down in history as voting for discrimination. In the final vote.
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Old 12-18-2010, 04:07 PM   #182
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check your math, deep.

63 + 33 = 96.

Manchin (D-WV)
Bunning (R-KY)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)

all did not vote.

Burr (NC) and Ensign (NV) switched their votes.
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Old 12-18-2010, 04:16 PM   #183
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you are right

bad math, on my part
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Old 12-18-2010, 04:20 PM   #184
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I thought there was absolutely, positively, completely, no way in hell that "golly, we'll just break a Senate fillibuster!" was going to be a successful plan to repeal DADT, but there you go.

Congrats to Democrats and the breakaway Republicans for getting this done.
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Old 12-18-2010, 04:30 PM   #185
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WOOOOOOOOOHOO!

Words cannot express how awesomely happy this news makes me . Way to go, Congress

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Old 12-18-2010, 04:41 PM   #186
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In a test earlier Saturday, the Senate voted 63 to 33 for repeal, a large enough outcome to assure final passage after six Republicans joined with Democrats to advance the bill.

The six Republican senators who voted with the majority were: Scott Brown, of Massachusetts; Susan M. Collins and Olympia J. Snowe, both of Maine; Mark Kirk of Illinois; Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and George Voinovich of Ohio. Sen. Joe Manchin, of West Virginia, the only Democrat to oppose repeal, did not vote.

In the final vote, two more Republicans, John Ensign of Nevada and Richard Burr of North Carolina, crossed over.
Good for Burr, NC.

Burr just got re-elected so he does not have to worry about a right wing attack until 2016.

By then I presume he can have voted the 'right' way on other GOP priorities.
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It's about time.
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What? The Senate actually got something important accomplished?? Is it opposite day?

Bye-Bye DADT!
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What? The Senate actually got something important accomplished?? Is it opposite day?
My thoughts exactly.

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Good.
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Old 12-18-2010, 09:00 PM   #192
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Today is a good day.

Ta-Nehisi Coates, over at The Atlantic:
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Here is John McCain, in full-throttled white populist mode, spinning DADT's repeal as plot by the elite Georgetown-Manhattan axis of America. The notion, which McCain pitches here, that DADT is a victory for people who either never served in the military, or don't know anyone in the military, is demagoguery. Worse, it's of a piece with McCain's habit of setting his clock according to his own disposition.

So Robert Gates, an Air Force vet, disagrees with John McCain, and by the factual lights of McCain, Gates is dismissed as a "political appointee who's never been in the military." Admiral Mike Mullen, Chairmen of the Joint Chiefs, disagrees with McCain and is transformed into someone who McCain does not "view as a military leader." And a policy with the support of nearly 80% of Americans can only be viewed through the machinations of Georgetown cocktail parties. Even the military itself, in McCain's mind, is bent to his prejudice. By implication he defines it as a provincial outfit almost totally rooted, not in a time or a place, but in the smallness of McCain's square mind.

We have, of late, taken to avoiding comparisons between the struggles of gays and the struggles of blacks. And yet, in this instance, the notion that DADT is actually a Georgetown cocktail party plot, surely recalls the notion that "Lincolnism" is actually the work of miscegenaters. The case is different, but the disinclination to argue on the grounds of facts, the proclivity for changing the subject, the penchant for deceitful ad hominem, and the bigoted appeal to fear, is the same as it ever was. All talk of patriotic sacrifice and the true nature of the Senator's heart is vacuous. You are what your record says you are. In this business, here is the record of John McCain.

'In the Salons of Georgetown'
So what kinds of drinking establishments in which neighborhoods of DC do real men like McCain head for to trade "high fives" after passing landmark legislation?
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Oh, McCain, shut up already. Please.

You lost. Deal with it.

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It took one campaign for him to go from The Maverick to Gentleman Jim Bunning and the conservative lunatics.

John McCain's story will be an American tragedy, when all is said and done.
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what a great day.

and god mccain is a sore loser.
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