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Considering they've been using sleep-deprivation on him for months (reportedly), he very well may be a plausible suicide risk.
Just like what they did to Jose Padilla. It'll be a miracle if he ever emerges for court without hearing voices and smearing mashed potatoes into the shape of towers.
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Amnesty International has a form letter (to Gates and Obama) and Firedoglake is hosting a petition (to the military prison commander) protesting Manning's treatment in detention. Neither document takes a position on WikiLeaks or the charges against Manning; just against his treatment.
Kucinich is, I believe, the only politician to have spoken out against this so far. Considering the uproar that would surely have emerged from the left had all this happened under GWB, I think the inconsistency is pretty damning.
The new charge of "indirectly aiding the enemy" filed against Manning, which will likely mean life imprisonment, leads me to wonder if the DoJ may have given up on finding grounds to prosecute Assange under the 1917 Espionage Act, which would've required evidence of close collaboration between Manning and Assange. Since the "aiding the enemy" charge against Manning falls under military law, in theory a successful conviction wouldn't endanger existing civilian court precedents protecting the rights of newspapers to leak information (a built-in risk of any case against Assange). I fear the treatment of Manning may be in large part a way of punishing him for having no useful dirt to hand the DoJ on Assange, or perhaps an incentive to help him 'recall' some.
Kucinich is, I believe, the only politician to have spoken out against this so far. Considering the uproar that would surely have emerged from the left had all this happened under GWB, I think the inconsistency is pretty damning.
The new charge of "indirectly aiding the enemy" filed against Manning, which will likely mean life imprisonment, leads me to wonder if the DoJ may have given up on finding grounds to prosecute Assange under the 1917 Espionage Act, which would've required evidence of close collaboration between Manning and Assange. Since the "aiding the enemy" charge against Manning falls under military law, in theory a successful conviction wouldn't endanger existing civilian court precedents protecting the rights of newspapers to leak information (a built-in risk of any case against Assange). I fear the treatment of Manning may be in large part a way of punishing him for having no useful dirt to hand the DoJ on Assange, or perhaps an incentive to help him 'recall' some.
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Times like this I'm really sad that Kucinich didn't go far in the '08 elections.
Yeah. This is insane. Completely and totally insane. Thanks for the links to those letters, off to sign.
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From Manning lawyer David Coombs' official complaint (not quoted for legibility)
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(1) On 18 January 2011, over the recommendation of Capt. Hocter and the defense forensic psychiatrist, Capt. Moore, CWO4 Averhart placed me under Suicide Risk. The Suicide Risk assignment resulted in me being required to remain in my cell for 24 hours a day. I was stripped of all clothing with the exception of my underwear. My prescription eyeglasses were taken away from me and I was forced to sit in essential blindness.
(2) The basis for the above treatment was due to my alleged behavior on 18 January 2011. On that date, I was pulled out of for my one hour of recreation call. When the guards came to my noticed a change in their usual demeanor. Instead of being
erratic my cell cell, I calm and respectful, they seemed agitated and confrontational. Also, instead of the usual two to three guards, there were four guards. Almost immediately, the guards started harassing me. The first guard told me to “turn left.” When I complied, the second guard yelled “don‟t turn left.” When I attempted to comply with the demands of the second guard, I was told by the first, “I said turn left.” I responded “yes, Corporal” to the first guard. At this point, the third guard chimed in by telling me that “in the Marines we reply with „aye‟ and not „yes.‟” He then asked me if I understood. I made the mistake of replying “yes, Sergeant.” At this point the forth guard yelled, “you mean „aye,‟ Sergeant.”
(3) The harassment by the guards continued as I was escorted to my one hour of recreation. When I arrived at the recreation room, I was told to stand still so they could remove my leg restraints. As I stood still, one of the guards yelled “I told you to stand still.” I replied “yes Corporal, I am standing still.” Another guard then said, “you mean „aye‟ Corporal.” Next, the same guard said “I thought we covered this, you say „aye‟ and not „yes,‟ do you understand?” I responded “aye Sergeant.” Right after I replied, I was once again yelled at to “stand still.” Due to being yelled at and the intensity of the guards, I mistakenly replied, “yes Corporal, I am standing still.” As soon as I said this, I attempted to correct myself by saying “aye” instead of “yes,” but it was too late. One of the guards starting yelling at me again, “what don‟t you understand” and “are we going to have a problem?”
(4) Once the leg restraints were taken off of me, I took a step back from the guards. My heart was pounding in my chest, and I could feel myself getting dizzy. I sat down to avoid falling. When I did this, the guards took a step towards me. I instinctively backed away from them. As soon as I backed away, I could tell by their faces that they were getting ready to restrain me. I immediately put my hands up in the air, and said “I am not doing anything, I am just trying to follow your orders.” The guards then told me to start walking. I complied with their order by saying “eye” instead of “yes.”
(5) I was allowed to complete my hour of recreation. During the hour, the guards did not harass me further. The guards also did not harass me when I was escorted back to my cell. Only later did I learn that there had been a protest outside the gates of Quantico the previous day. The rally was intended to bring attention to the conditions of my confinement. It is my belief that my treatment on 18 January 2010 by the guards and later by the PCF Commander was related to this protest and my earlier complaints.
(6) After being returned to my cell, I started to read a book. About 30 minutes later, the PCF Commander, CWO4 James Averhart, came to my cell. He asked me what had happened during my recreation call. As I tried to explain to him what had occurred, CWO4 Averhart stopped me and said “I am the commander” and that “no one could tell him what to do.” He also said that he was, for all practical purposes, “God.” I responded by saying “you still have to follow Brig procedures.” I also said “everyone has a boss that they have to answer to.” As soon as I said this, CWO4 Averhart ordered that I be placed in Suicide Risk Status.
(7) Admittedly, once I heard that I would be placed under Suicide Risk, I became upset. Out of frustration, I placed my hands to my head and clenched my hair with my fingers. I did yell “why are you doing this to me?” I also yelled “why am I being punished?” and “I have done nothing wrong.” I then asked CWO4 Averhart “what have I done to deserve this type of treatment?”
(8) CWO4 Averhart did not answer any of my questions. He instructed the guards to enter my cell and take all my clothing. At first I tried to reason with CWO4 Averhart by telling him that I had been a model detainee and by asking him to just tell me what he wanted me to do and that I would do it. However, I gave up trying to reason with him once the guards entered my cell and ordered me to strip. Instead, I lowered my head and starting taking off my clothes.
(9) CWO4 Averhart placed me on Suicide Risk, over the recommendation of Capt. Hocter and the defense forensic psychiatrist, Capt. Moore. His decision was also in violation of Secretary of Navy Instruction (“SECNAVINST”) 1649.9C Paragraph 4205.5d.
As a result of being placed on Suicide Risk, I was confined to my cell for 24 hours a day. I was also stripped of all clothing with the exception of my underwear. Additionally, my prescription eyeglasses were taken away from me. Due to not having my glasses, I was forced to sit in essential blindness during the day. I remained on Suicide Risk until 21 January 2010. The determination to place me on Suicide Risk was without justification and therefore constitutes unlawful pretrial punishment.
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(1) On 18 January 2011, over the recommendation of Capt. Hocter and the defense forensic psychiatrist, Capt. Moore, CWO4 Averhart placed me under Suicide Risk. The Suicide Risk assignment resulted in me being required to remain in my cell for 24 hours a day. I was stripped of all clothing with the exception of my underwear. My prescription eyeglasses were taken away from me and I was forced to sit in essential blindness.
(2) The basis for the above treatment was due to my alleged behavior on 18 January 2011. On that date, I was pulled out of for my one hour of recreation call. When the guards came to my noticed a change in their usual demeanor. Instead of being
erratic my cell cell, I calm and respectful, they seemed agitated and confrontational. Also, instead of the usual two to three guards, there were four guards. Almost immediately, the guards started harassing me. The first guard told me to “turn left.” When I complied, the second guard yelled “don‟t turn left.” When I attempted to comply with the demands of the second guard, I was told by the first, “I said turn left.” I responded “yes, Corporal” to the first guard. At this point, the third guard chimed in by telling me that “in the Marines we reply with „aye‟ and not „yes.‟” He then asked me if I understood. I made the mistake of replying “yes, Sergeant.” At this point the forth guard yelled, “you mean „aye,‟ Sergeant.”
(3) The harassment by the guards continued as I was escorted to my one hour of recreation. When I arrived at the recreation room, I was told to stand still so they could remove my leg restraints. As I stood still, one of the guards yelled “I told you to stand still.” I replied “yes Corporal, I am standing still.” Another guard then said, “you mean „aye‟ Corporal.” Next, the same guard said “I thought we covered this, you say „aye‟ and not „yes,‟ do you understand?” I responded “aye Sergeant.” Right after I replied, I was once again yelled at to “stand still.” Due to being yelled at and the intensity of the guards, I mistakenly replied, “yes Corporal, I am standing still.” As soon as I said this, I attempted to correct myself by saying “aye” instead of “yes,” but it was too late. One of the guards starting yelling at me again, “what don‟t you understand” and “are we going to have a problem?”
(4) Once the leg restraints were taken off of me, I took a step back from the guards. My heart was pounding in my chest, and I could feel myself getting dizzy. I sat down to avoid falling. When I did this, the guards took a step towards me. I instinctively backed away from them. As soon as I backed away, I could tell by their faces that they were getting ready to restrain me. I immediately put my hands up in the air, and said “I am not doing anything, I am just trying to follow your orders.” The guards then told me to start walking. I complied with their order by saying “eye” instead of “yes.”
(5) I was allowed to complete my hour of recreation. During the hour, the guards did not harass me further. The guards also did not harass me when I was escorted back to my cell. Only later did I learn that there had been a protest outside the gates of Quantico the previous day. The rally was intended to bring attention to the conditions of my confinement. It is my belief that my treatment on 18 January 2010 by the guards and later by the PCF Commander was related to this protest and my earlier complaints.
(6) After being returned to my cell, I started to read a book. About 30 minutes later, the PCF Commander, CWO4 James Averhart, came to my cell. He asked me what had happened during my recreation call. As I tried to explain to him what had occurred, CWO4 Averhart stopped me and said “I am the commander” and that “no one could tell him what to do.” He also said that he was, for all practical purposes, “God.” I responded by saying “you still have to follow Brig procedures.” I also said “everyone has a boss that they have to answer to.” As soon as I said this, CWO4 Averhart ordered that I be placed in Suicide Risk Status.
(7) Admittedly, once I heard that I would be placed under Suicide Risk, I became upset. Out of frustration, I placed my hands to my head and clenched my hair with my fingers. I did yell “why are you doing this to me?” I also yelled “why am I being punished?” and “I have done nothing wrong.” I then asked CWO4 Averhart “what have I done to deserve this type of treatment?”
(8) CWO4 Averhart did not answer any of my questions. He instructed the guards to enter my cell and take all my clothing. At first I tried to reason with CWO4 Averhart by telling him that I had been a model detainee and by asking him to just tell me what he wanted me to do and that I would do it. However, I gave up trying to reason with him once the guards entered my cell and ordered me to strip. Instead, I lowered my head and starting taking off my clothes.
(9) CWO4 Averhart placed me on Suicide Risk, over the recommendation of Capt. Hocter and the defense forensic psychiatrist, Capt. Moore. His decision was also in violation of Secretary of Navy Instruction (“SECNAVINST”) 1649.9C Paragraph 4205.5d.
As a result of being placed on Suicide Risk, I was confined to my cell for 24 hours a day. I was also stripped of all clothing with the exception of my underwear. Additionally, my prescription eyeglasses were taken away from me. Due to not having my glasses, I was forced to sit in essential blindness during the day. I remained on Suicide Risk until 21 January 2010. The determination to place me on Suicide Risk was without justification and therefore constitutes unlawful pretrial punishment.
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cobl04
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we were talking about this in my Media Law & Ethics class yesterday. i still can't stand Assange and i hate people who criticise the media for "not doing their job".
i've never known it to be a journalist's job to illegally hack into classified information and release it.
i've never known it to be a journalist's job to illegally hack into classified information and release it.
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Trolololololololololololol I`ll just leave this here for you, trolololololo.
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You can hate Assange for being an asshat, but you can`t make stupid blanket statements about all leaking of classified information.
Also, there was no hacking involved in the Wikileaks case whatsoever. Do your research
It seems your Media Law & Ethics class isn`t doing a very good job.
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You can hate Assange for being an asshat, but you can`t make stupid blanket statements about all leaking of classified information.
Also, there was no hacking involved in the Wikileaks case whatsoever. Do your research
It seems your Media Law & Ethics class isn`t doing a very good job.
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media law and ethics is an oxymoron anyway.
and that's said as someone who has a degree (ha) that specialised in that kind of thing.
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cobl04
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I am actually pretty ignorant about the whole saga, I'll admit that. I shouldn't have made a "stupid blanket statement" without a better knowledge than what I had/have.
So I'll blatantly ask: how do the Wikileaks collaborators access this information?
I just don't like the man, I don't like this implication that the world's media aren't doing their job. The world's media, as I understand it, aren't able to release classified information en masse. He's hacked in the past. He spoke at a conference and asked hackers to help find documents.
I know you canadiens are very much interested in new technology, and convergence. But the definition of a journalist has been blown wide open by it, and with every day it seems the traditional journalist, newspaper, etc becomes a little less significant, and whilst I am in no way naive or ignorant about journalism in the 21st century I don't like the implication that traditional journalists are falling behind in their duty.
So I'll blatantly ask: how do the Wikileaks collaborators access this information?
I just don't like the man, I don't like this implication that the world's media aren't doing their job. The world's media, as I understand it, aren't able to release classified information en masse. He's hacked in the past. He spoke at a conference and asked hackers to help find documents.
I know you canadiens are very much interested in new technology, and convergence. But the definition of a journalist has been blown wide open by it, and with every day it seems the traditional journalist, newspaper, etc becomes a little less significant, and whilst I am in no way naive or ignorant about journalism in the 21st century I don't like the implication that traditional journalists are falling behind in their duty.
Bradley Manning, the schlub from the last few pages that's getting worked over by the US military had access to various classified-level diplomatic dispatches, allegedly felt that he was morally compelled to release these cables, and handed off the whole chunk to Julian Assange, whose Wikileaks team disseminated a handful of the total through newspapers.
Why do you have a personal stake in believing they aren't? Trawling through the American media from 2002-2003 and seeing how credulous the journalists were towards unsourced government assurances re: Iraq would be enough for a lot of people.
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As a journalism student, I think the media are woefully falling behind in their duty.
cobl04
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why do you think that?
You apparently don't watch much US cable news.
coolian2
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even in australia, you can't see where/how/why real journalism is being subverted?
cobl04
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Well I live in Australia... the only exposure I have to any form of American news (the actual broadcasting of it I mean, obviously I hear American news) is catching crap like TMZ or ET or something on one of our chat shows or whatever, or when some American broadcaster makes a funny mistake (like when some channel had a map of Australia showing the effects of the floods, and they had Tasmania labelled as Queensland).
So I wouldn't have a clue of the quality of US cable news.
So I wouldn't have a clue of the quality of US cable news.
cobl04
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I can, definitely, but my personal opinion is that journalists aren't "falling woefully behind" or anything of the like. Am I naive? Maybe. I just don't see it as bad as all that. I pick up The Age or The Australian (and we get the Herald Sun delivered every day of the week) and I think they're doing a pretty good job...
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So presuming you don't have cable then. Watching the difference between CNN, Fox, BBC and even Australian Sky News is... amazing.
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i like australian sky news. you can tell they really want to push an agenda but they don't know how to do it properly. it's cute.
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There are still issues there. Far, far more of what you are reading in print is syndicated, both in national and international news. Far, far less people are reading print newspapers. There's less real investigative stuff. In a way, there's more reporting/less journalism. And if you go to their respective websites (not the Australian so much, but the Age, SMH, Herald Sun, News.com etc) it's not hard to notice where the focus is at, compared to where it should be. You literally need an event the size of this Japan earthquake to bump some story about a footballer, actor, model, whatever down to maybe just second place, at least for a day or two. Combine that with a serious drift in TV news and current affairs and you can see there's a serious problem.
I'm guessing you are probably too young to have noticed it change? The network news and the current affairs shows used to actually be very good. Not just a dump-an-anchor-in-the-middle-of-it way, which is about the extent of what they consider doing a good job now, but chasing and breaking stories, being highly informative, very very good. 60 Minutes used to be absolutely fantastic - Kerry Packer used to happily lose a mint on making sure 60 Minutes was world class. And it really was. You probably only get one or two stories a year now that are of the quality of what the average story every week was back in the day.
cobl04
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I have noticed the change, you are right. Particularly with your more reporting/less journalism call. That's spot on. I used to watch 60 Minutes all the time.
What do you do, earnie, for a crumpet? Your posts regularly make me depressed, they're just always very good.
What do you do, earnie, for a crumpet? Your posts regularly make me depressed, they're just always very good.
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I work in strategy for an evil multinational media-entertainment empire, household name. Specifically, I help them in convincing you to, essentially, drop your hard earned on Hollywood tripe. In London for the time being working on UK/Europe market, but usually Sydney, where its noticeably easier because Australians are generally just as stupid as Americans, so in a strategy sense, its pretty much just copy/paste. 
cobl04
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Awesome... it appears you're bloody good at what you do.
I used to think I was quite intelligent... long time since I was in the top 15 for my year in high school.
Maybe I need to stop drinking and start utilising brain cells to catch up!
I used to think I was quite intelligent... long time since I was in the top 15 for my year in high school.
Maybe I need to stop drinking and start utilising brain cells to catch up!
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