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Old 08-16-2012, 09:14 AM   #451
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So Ecuador has granted Assange asylum. Here's hoping the UK and US don't decide "well fuck protocol, this guy embarrassed us and he rapes women" and pull something shifty.
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Old 08-16-2012, 09:29 AM   #452
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So Ecuador has granted Assange asylum. Here's hoping the UK and US don't decide "well fuck protocol, this guy embarrassed us and he rapes women" and pull something shifty.
That's EXACTLY what they should do.....otherwise this sets a very dangerous precedent and any foreign national who commits a crime can go into any embassy and ask for asylumn without facing justice.

Assange is a COWARD - if he's innocent like he says he is then let him have his day in court and prove his innocence. This act clearly proves that he's guilty.

I sincerely hope the British forces are storming the embassy as we speak....or are at least on the way.

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All this proves is that he does not think he can get a fair trial. And he is probably right.
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That's EXACTLY what they should do.....otherwise this sets a very dangerous precedent and any foreign national who commits a crime can go into any embassy and ask for asylumn without facing justice.

Assange is a COWARD - if he's innocent like he says he is then let him have his day in court and prove his innocence. This act clearly proves that he's guilty.

I sincerely hope the British forces are storming the embassy as we speak....or are at least on the way.

GO SCOTLAND YARD!!
This isn't about the alleged sexual offences. If he's proven guilty of those then fine, I'll back down. But it all seems a little too convenient for me. Peef is right.

Seeking asylum proves he's guilty? Of what? Absolute garbage.
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I don't know, it's hard for me to not be suspicious of Assange.
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This isn't about the alleged sexual offences. If he's proven guilty of those then fine, I'll back down. But it all seems a little too convenient for me. Peef is right.

Seeking asylum proves he's guilty? Of what? Absolute garbage.
Obviously he has something to hide if he's too cowardly to face trial. I'm only talking about the alleged sexual offences - don't even get me started on the Bradley Manning case - for which I believe Assange should face the same firing squad as Manning.....or at least he should spend the rest of his useless life in jail.

In any case, Ecuador can do what they want - but there's no way the British will let him just walk out of the embassy into the fresh air.
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Obviously he has something to hide if he's too cowardly to face trial. I'm only talking about the alleged sexual offences - don't even get me started on the Bradley Manning case - for which I believe Assange should face the same firing squad as Manning.....or at least he should spend the rest of his useless life in jail.

In any case, Ecuador can do what they want - but there's no way the British will let him just walk out of the embassy into the fresh air.
Not obviously. Did you even read our posts?
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Not obviously. Did you even read our posts?
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Yes I did. You said that he probably thinks he won't get a fair trial - but he's not giving the Swedes the chance to prove him wrong - he just high-tailed it into the embassy of another country (I wonder why he chose Ecuador) and asked for asylumn like he was being persecuted for nothing.....that's wrong.

Do you disagree with the fact that he should face these charges and defend himself against them?
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Yes I did. You said that he probably thinks he won't get a fair trial - but he's not giving the Swedes the chance to prove him wrong - he just high-tailed it into the embassy of another country (I wonder why he chose Ecuador) and asked for asylumn like he was being persecuted for nothing.....that's wrong.

Do you disagree with the fact that he should face these charges and defend himself against them?
He had seen their evidence. He has been interrogated. He is running because he thinks it's a kangaroo court, not because he's guilty.

That's my take. Do you agree that it's possible?
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the really dodgy thing is that Sweden refused to guarantee Ecuador that Assange would not be extradited to the US where he could face the death penalty, which is why Ecuador believes that Assange is the subject of political persecution which goes far beyond the alleged rape charges

the measures taken against Assange, for example even financially crippling his organisation etc., are incredibly extreme - hell they don't even do that to known organised criminal/drug gangs - and the ease with which they did that to Assange/Wikileaks is mind-blowing! why don't they fight proper crime that way?
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the really dodgy thing is that Sweden refused to guarantee Ecuador that Assange would not be extradited to the US where he could face the death penalty, which is why Ecuador believes that Assange is the subject of political persecution which goes far beyond the alleged rape charges

the measures taken against Assange, for example even financially crippling his organisation etc., are incredibly extreme - hell they don't even do that to known organised criminal/drug gangs - and the ease with which they did that to Assange/Wikileaks is mind-blowing! why don't they fight proper crime that way?
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That's EXACTLY what they should do.....otherwise this sets a very dangerous precedent and any foreign national who commits a crime can go into any embassy and ask for asylumn without facing justice.

Assange is a COWARD - if he's innocent like he says he is then let him have his day in court and prove his innocence. This act clearly proves that he's guilty.

I sincerely hope the British forces are storming the embassy as we speak....or are at least on the way.

GO SCOTLAND YARD!!
As far as I can gather Assange is an awful man, but even awful people are entitled to legal safeguards and the presumption of innocence.
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the really dodgy thing is that Sweden refused to guarantee Ecuador that Assange would not be extradited to the US where he could face the death penalty, which is why Ecuador believes that Assange is the subject of political persecution which goes far beyond the alleged rape charges

the measures taken against Assange, for example even financially crippling his organisation etc., are incredibly extreme - hell they don't even do that to known organised criminal/drug gangs - and the ease with which they did that to Assange/Wikileaks is mind-blowing! why don't they fight proper crime that way?
To be honest, I've always been slightly suspicious of Wikileaks, it seemed to emerge from nowhere and to do so within a remarkably short space of time - Assange and his acolytes seemed to me to be rather more interested in publicity and sensationalism than one would expect from such a website. If you had a big story about government misdoings, would you have gone to Wikileaks, where you'll be reading all about it on the front pages of newspapers within days, and probably have your cover blown - like what happened to the naive and callow Bradley Manning?

Cryptome.org, a rival website to Wikileaks, has been around for a lot longer precisely because it is careful and does not draw unwanted attention to itself - the opposite, if anything.
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To be honest, I've always been slightly suspicious of Wikileaks, it seemed to emerge from nowhere and to do so within a remarkably short space of time - Assange and his acolytes seemed to me to be rather more interested in publicity and sensationalism than one would expect from such a website. If you had a big story about government misdoings, would you have gone to Wikileaks, where you'll be reading all about it on the front pages of newspapers within days, and probably have your cover blown - like what happened to the naive and callow Bradley Manning?

Cryptome.org, a rival website to Wikileaks, has been around for a lot longer precisely because it is careful and does not draw unwanted attention to itself - the opposite, if anything.
if i remember correctly, Bradley Manning wasn't exposed by Wikileaks but actually by a guy he met on an internet forum whom he confided in, who then reported him...

never heard of cryptome - they must be doing a GREAT job of getting the information out there

eta - ha, they're actually mentioned in this link - i learn something new every day lol!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...er?INTCMP=SRCH

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The best-known example of the phenomenon is Adrian Lamo, a convicted hacker who turned informant on Bradley Manning, who is suspected of passing secret documents to WikiLeaks. Manning had entered into a prolonged instant messaging conversation with Lamo, whom he trusted and asked for advice. Lamo repaid that trust by promptly handing over the 23-year-old intelligence specialist to the military authorities. Manning has now been in custody for more than a year.

For acting as he did, Lamo has earned himself the sobriquet of Judas and the "world's most hated hacker", though he has insisted that he acted out of concern for those he believed could be harmed or even killed by the WikiLeaks publication of thousands of US diplomatic cables.

"Obviously it's been much worse for him but it's certainly been no picnic for me," Lamo has said. "He followed his conscience, and I followed mine."
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