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Old 12-12-2010, 07:21 AM   #286
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However, back to the Nigerian case - if the parents were not asked to give consent, I fully agree that this is utterly wrong and I condemn it without reservation.
from what i've read, parents apparently gave their verbal consent, but this was insufficiently documented - written/electronic documentation is crucial in clinical trials - if it wasn't written down it didn't happen, pretty much... so if verbal consent was not documented, no consent was thus given... there are very stringent ethical protocols for conducting clinical trials, so as to protect patients taking part...

also, there were 200 participants in the trial, yet more than 600 individuals filed complaints against Pfizer... not very clear cut at all really!
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Old 12-12-2010, 07:50 AM   #287
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Pfizer also initiated the TRIPS agreement when they realized that those pesky Africans didn't pay for the good the company is doing. Instead of stopping and thinking for a second, "Well, maybe they simply can't afford our prices, but need our drugs", they became quite creative to create one of the most harmful intellectual property rights.
Pharma is necessary and the scientists working on new drugs are honourable people. But there's not much that's more cynical than the upper management of big pharmaceutical companies in my eyes.
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Old 12-12-2010, 11:12 AM   #288
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I don't quite recall being this offended on FYM, ever.

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That´s why I see no problem in saying that the majority of U.S. Army is torturing people, shooting children from helicopters and being proud of how many civilians they have killed each and every day.

Maybe you should just admit it. Probably you should watch that footage as many times as you have watched the planes flying into WTC.
How the hell do you come to that conclusion after posting a few stories of about ignorant people HERE at home? That's like saying we were just out to kill Japanese civilians in World War II, because Japanese Americans were treated badly. Are Muslims being rounded up and sent to internment camps? I don't think so.

By the way, the U.S. army is only one branch of the military. You're forgetting the U.S. Marines, Navy, and Air Force.


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You also should admit that U.S. soldiers multiplied WTC 20 times in Iraq, according to the number of civilian deaths. It´s fair to say that for the Iraqis, your glorified Army´s actions are about 20 times worse than 9/11
Firstly, 9/11 has nothing to do with Iraq, Secondly, we were not the ones setting off car bombs and launching mortars in downtown Bagdhad.
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Old 12-12-2010, 12:37 PM   #289
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Of course the illness is severe. So what. If you had children who were ill, would you like a pharma monster to test new drugs on them without your knowledge? Does that make it any better?

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The crimes that U.S. soldiers commit in the war they are fighting make me sick. After seeing this, I can´t help but thinking, fuck the United States, go to hell everyone defending this war and your fucking secret services and bastard soldiers who torture and shoot children as part of a computer game.

You know, this makes it pretty obvious why some people burn U.S. flags. I believe in peace, and I won´t engage in any of this behavior. But hey, the fucking U.S. army is a disgrace and shame.

Flame me all you want now, you bastards working in the military & arms industry, believing you are honorable persons defending your fucked up values, which in reality are nothing but torture and killing. I spit on your values and you should be nothing but ashamed to be part of this.
While I have never been comfortable with the idea of the US, or anyone else, being the global policeman, would you prefer if it was Russia or China as the global policeman with their much vaunted concern for human rights?

Oh sorry, I forgot that is a question you do not want to address.

I'd grant you that it sticks in the craw the way some Americans go on and on and on about 9/11 as though Americans are the only ones that are allowed to feel pain. I think it is partially due to the corporate media who cleverly manipulate the mindset and biases of the American public into supporting aggressive wars.
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You chose to shrug off the "ignorant little dipshit" part. Not that I really care, just fyi.
Well, calling you an ignorant little shit was literally the only thing I did that was offensive to anyone (and really, it was just offensive to you). You insulted Americans, the US Army, and the intelligence of everyone in this debate, so I think you're on much thinner ice.
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It´s not a fact, it is what you believe. If this is a fact, show the evidence. Have you personally been interviewing 4,000 soldiers and "only" 200 of them killed innocent civilians and tortured children? Nope. Firstly, I don´t think you have evidence to declare this as fact; secondly, a minority could also be, say, 40% of the U.S. Army.

Maybe the other 60% are brave people who never fired a gun, promote peace in the region and spread democracy, very funny. Indeed, you are coming to the defense of the actions of the U.S. Army. By saying, it´s "just a very small minority" responsible for tens of thousands of civilian deaths, you trivialize the crimes, while your secretary of state Hillary Clinton orders diplomacy and secret services to spy on the U.N., pressures governments, Spain's judiciary, and buys foreign assistance with detentions at Guantanamo Bay.

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And instead of calling me ignorant, you´d be better off asking the U.S. Army about 200 civilians killed in Yemen.

Wikileaks cable corroborates evidence of US airstrikes in Yemen
You're the one claiming that it's not a minority. The burden of proof is on the one making the outlandish statements. You have yet to show me anything that makes me think there's more than just a few rogue Army people committing war crimes.

The implication that all these civilians died at the hands of US soldiers is absurd. There are two sides to the fighting, my man.
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You insulted the US Army
big deal buddy. The US Army doesn´t insult, they shoot.
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The implication that all these civilians died at the hands of US soldiers is absurd. There are two sides to the fighting, my man.
Right. There are always two sides.
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big deal buddy. The US Army doesn´t insult, they shoot.
If I can't call him an ignorant little shit for this, can you just ban him?

Seriously, you're an incredibly ignorant person. You've gotten, of all people, ME, to defend the military.
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You chose to shrug off the "ignorant little dipshit" part. Not that I really care, just fyi.
No I did not. I clearly stated in my response that both you and Philfan were out of line.

And both of you need to drop it now and move on.
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I fully agree that I don't feel all that comfortable with people being used as guinea pigs for new pharmaceutical drugs. Especially children. I tend to be wary in general of our constant pill-happy cure-all idea. Sometimes they do help, sometimes they can control some diseases better. But it seems we mainly wind up focusing on treating the symptoms nowadays, we really need to dig deeper into the root of the illness/problem itself and find a cure for that instead. And given all the constant recalls and lawsuits and such surrounding a lot of drugs, it's something to look into and question.

Oh. And add me to the list of people horribly offended by hiphop's statement. You'll get no argument from me that some in our military are very abusive of their power, but good lord, there was really no excuse for that broad attack on the U.S. as a whole. This is why some people have a hard time taking the left seriously.

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Perhaps hiphop is Hugo Chavez...?




Nevermind, Hugo Chavez hates western music
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The thread topic is WikiLeaks, guys.
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Leaked: Iran As Few As Six Years Away from 2016

WASHINGTON, DC—According to an alarming new leak exposed by winkyleaks, combining civilian, military, and calendric evidence, Iran may be as few as six years away from the year 2016. “Every day they get one day closer,” Defense Secretary Robert Gates said during a White House press conference Tuesday. “At the rate they’re going, they will reach 2016 at the same time as the United States—and given their geographic position relative to the international date line, possibly even sooner.” The report recommended that the U.S. engage in bellicose international posturing, careless brinksmanship, and an eventual overwhelming series of nuclear strikes in order to prevent Iran from reaching this milestone.
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