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Old 10-26-2010, 04:01 AM   #16
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I'm assuming you feel the same way about Jonathan Pollard, then. When's he getting shot at?
I'm not in the least condoning what Jonathan Pollard did. He was caught, tried and justly sentenced.......but there's a HUGE difference here.

Countries spy on each other all the time (even friendly ones) - and I have no doubt that even now we're being watched by our friends in Washington - it has always been this way, but NONE of the findings were ever laid bare for the world to see.

That being said, What Jonathan Pollard did was wrong, however any information he gathered was given to his operators and NOT made public. His actions were NOT intended to discredit the American administration nor did his actions put any American lives in danger.

Assange is a self-centered publicity seeker disguising himself as a seeker of truth (much like the nutcase 9/11 "truthers" who think that GWB orchestrated the 9/11 attacks.....yeesh). Furthermore, I believe that this was done as a "wag the dog" situation to deflect attention from the rape allegations against him.

In any case, let me repeat - what Jonathan Pollard did was wrong - but what Assange did was WAY worse because his actions hurt the United States and were meant to undermine the efforts in the war against terror.

While we're on the subject, I believe that Jonathan Pollard should be involved in a swap just like the 10 Russian spies were a few months ago. That's also what countries do.
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Old 10-26-2010, 04:11 AM   #17
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Assange is a self-centered publicity seeker disguising himself as a seeker of truth (much like the nutcase 9/11 "truthers" who think that GWB orchestrated the 9/11 attacks.....yeesh).
that's a big jump. from someone who releases official documents to a mad conspiracy theorist?
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Old 10-26-2010, 04:40 AM   #18
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that's a big jump. from someone who releases official documents to a mad conspiracy theorist?
You're right - I'm sorry - that was the wrong comparison.
Thanks for pointing that out.
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Old 10-26-2010, 07:28 AM   #19
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Assange is a self-centered publicity seeker disguising himself as a seeker of truth (much like the nutcase 9/11 "truthers" who think that GWB orchestrated the 9/11 attacks.....yeesh). Furthermore, I believe that this was done as a "wag the dog" situation to deflect attention from the rape allegations against him.
You can't seriously overlook the fact that these rape allegations (which were dropped and then re-opened by a higher-up) came on the heels of the first leak of war documents. Morrrrre than a little shady.

What, you think Assange founded Wikileaks and worked on it for years as a cover so he could eventually, finally get around to raping two women in Sweden and use it as a cover?

He's a globetrotting, rightly paranoid spokesman for a website leaking classified documents. Of course he's going to come off as a publicity-seeker and a bit of a tosser. I am taking bets on how long before his plane has an engine failure.
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i don't know much about the topic (i'm only 20, and perhaps an aspiring journalist), but saying the public "has a right to know" is not a good enough excuse to release classified documents without permission, whatever the content.

i only watched 20 seconds of that interview and immediately disliked this Assange bloke. bit of a fucking joke to attack the world's media for "not doing a good enough job" when they're just being ethical.

all this said, i really don't know much about the whole middle east/war on terror thing anyway, and don't have much interest in it at all, aside from my non-passionate view that Australians shouldn't be over there.
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Old 10-26-2010, 02:29 PM   #22
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i only watched 20 seconds of that interview and immediately disliked this Assange bloke. bit of a fucking joke to attack the world's media for "not doing a good enough job" when they're just being ethical.
It's a bit of a simplistic view on the matter.

I think it's always a good idea to have groups out there to counter-balance the politicians. Yes, many things are classified for a good reason, but on the other hand, many things are classified because they are potentially devastatingly damaging to those who keep them secret in the first place.

In other news, I'm interested to see what's revealed about the Russian government, coming soon:
WikiLeaks ready to drop a bombshell on Russia. But will Russians get to read about it? - CSMonitor.com
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To protect the guilty?
Other Iraqis?

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Yes, many things are classified for a good reason, but on the other hand, many things are classified because they are potentially devastatingly damaging to those who keep them secret in the first place.
So we should trust Assange's judgement?
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So we should trust Assange's judgement?
No, I don't think we should implicitly trust Assange's judgement, nor the judgement of news editors, nor the judgement of the Pentagon, nor that of the U.S. Government.

The information is going to get out there, and whoever is reading it can hopefully make up a rational opinion based on everything available.

At the end of the day, Wikileaks and other sites who try to leak secret government and military documents are probably doing these institutions a favour by dragging them kicking and screaming into the 21st century.

It's pretty obvious there's a fundamental disconnect with reality at the Pentagon when they're buying 10,000 copies of a book to destroy in the DIGITAL AGE.
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That depends on where your infection is located.
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Other Iraqis?
No wonder you're joining the military.
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If you can't even entertain the idea that American soldiers have done wrong and believe that only the "enemy" is guilty of anything, the US military probably seems like a great idea.
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If you can't even entertain the idea that American soldiers have done wrong and believe that only the "enemy" is guilty of anything, the US military probably seems like a great idea.
I'm not even going to try and argue with someone who feels that joining the US military is wrong on the grounds that it is full of war criminals... wonderful
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I'm not even going to try and argue with someone who feels that joining the US military is wrong on the grounds that it is full of war criminals... wonderful
how simplistic.
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