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Old 12-08-2010, 04:17 AM   #226
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The fascinating thing about the WikiLeaks case for me is neither the leak nor the content of the cables...it's how traditional U.S. news outlets are reacting to the whole story.

The tone and general inaccuracy in the reporting on the whole thing in the U.S. almost seems to be a reflection of traditional media outlets feeling bitter than they seem to have become obsolete, and were out-scooped by an egotistical Aussie guy who likes to dye his hair a lot and a small group of Internet nerds in hiding somewhere in Europe.
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Old 12-08-2010, 04:48 AM   #227
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Also, I actually don't think the charges against him have anything to do with Wikileaks.
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No, nothing to do with WikiLeaks whatsoever (unless you love jumping to a good conspiracy.) They look like they could well be bullshit though, on the limited information given anyway. I've seen a few US news articles/sites that do seem to (likely, deliberately) blur the reporting though.

I loved whoever it was (Fox?) saying that "the international manhunt for Julian Assange is now over". What? Everyone has known exactly where he is this whole time. No-one was looking for him. There was no "manhunt".
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Old 12-08-2010, 05:55 AM   #228
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No, nothing to do with WikiLeaks whatsoever (unless you love jumping to a good conspiracy.) They look like they could well be bullshit though, on the limited information given anyway. I've seen a few US news articles/sites that do seem to (likely, deliberately) blur the reporting though.

I loved whoever it was (Fox?) saying that "the international manhunt for Julian Assange is now over". What? Everyone has known exactly where he is this whole time. No-one was looking for him. There was no "manhunt".
Let me get this straight. There are actually people who believe that putting a man who had sex with a CIA tied woman (oh the coincendence..) without a condom or with a broken condom (only in Sweden is this considered rape as far as I know) on the most wanted list of interpol and FBI has nothing to do with wikileaks? Man I am in trouble for that little incendent in Sweden 12 years ago!
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Old 12-08-2010, 06:23 AM   #229
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No, I think a lot of people assume there's something... fishy... about it. Definitely. I thought the original poster only just realised that his arrest was not a direct WikiLeaks thing.
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Old 12-08-2010, 06:35 AM   #230
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oh my god this is turning into a fully-fledged cyber war - MasterCard website has now been hacked in retaliation for blocking money transfers to Wikileaks!

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11.10 am The cyberwar over WikiLeaks shows every sign of escalating further. My colleague Josh Halliday has more on the attack on MasterCard:

Mastercard, the multinational payments network which yesterday throttled money transfers to WikiLeaks, was this morning brought offline following an attack by internet avengers, Anonymous.

The website of Mastercard would not load just before 10am on Wednesday; an error page cited a "DNS fail". (Here's some technical background)

Anonymous, the group of "hacktivists" vaguely linked to the influential internet messageboard 4Chan, has been targeting companies that have severed ties with Assange or WikiLeaks with so-called "distributed denial of service attacks" (DDoS). Such attacks are illegal and have become something of a subplot in WikiLeaks ongoing release of US embassy cables.

10.57am: Operation Payback, a hacking group that claimed credit for
taking down the website of a Swiss Bank that cut off funds to Julian Assange, appears to have struck again.

MasterCard's website is currently unavailable after a similar attack in protest at its decision to cut payments to WikiLeaks, according Business Insider.

Mastercard.com is down, and Anon_operation just tweeted that it's due to a DDOS attack. Of course, Mastercard is one of the payment services that cut off the ability to donate to Wikileaks.
who needs James Bond eh?
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Old 12-08-2010, 07:15 AM   #232
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Some people are calling WikiLeaks the 'best thing to happen to journalism' etc etc.
BULLSHIT! Those Taiwanese animations have a lock on #1.
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God, I love Taiwan.
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Old 12-08-2010, 01:19 PM   #234
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The leaders of Myanmar and Belarus, or Thailand and Russia, can now rightly say “You went after Wikileaks’ domain name, their hosting provider, and even denied your citizens the ability to register protest through donations, all without a warrant and all targeting overseas entities, simply because you decided you don’t like the site. If that’s the way governments get to behave, we can live with that."

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Uh yeah, right

Bryan Fischer: Julian Assange not the bad guy here - the homosexual soldier is - RIGHTLYCONCERNED.COM
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And of course if this were some Iranian soldier/website combo leaking 250,000 cables detailing evidence of nuclear progress, terrorism support, election corruption etc, those people would be universally hailed as heroes, with AchtungBono leading the charge.

Still haven't made my mind up on exactly where I really sit, overall, but the two extreme sides of the argument, as usual, need to sit down and shut up. Julian Assange is not a terrorist who needs to be shot. And indiscriminate public flooding of private government documents is not some holy act ushering in a new age of brilliant transparency.

A really interesting argument will take place over the next few days within Australia, re what to do about citizen Assange. It's already started - noticeable split in the government too.
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And of course if this were some Iranian soldier/website combo leaking 250,000 cables detailing evidence of nuclear progress, terrorism support, election corruption etc, those people would be universally hailed as heroes, with AchtungBono leading the charge.
Absolutely, in fact that person might just edge out O'Reiley as her #1 hero.

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Still haven't made my mind up on exactly where I really sit, overall, but the two extreme sides of the argument, as usual, need to sit down and shut up. Julian Assange is not a terrorist who needs to be shot. And indiscriminate public flooding of private government documents is not some holy act ushering in a new age of brilliant transparency.
Agree 100%
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I think that these are all example of realpolitik, not particularly surprising and hardly shocking or anything of that nature. It's how the world works, and rightly so.
Rightly so? So what you think is all crimes that governments, secret services and corporations commit - whoever suffers from it - are totally ok and rightly so because, oh, it´s "real" politics and that´s just how the world works? That´s pretty opportunist..

and this is where our views differ. I believe in democratic values, in justice, in exposing those dirty secrets and tricks of "realpolitik", and I believe society as a whole and every living being has the right to decide what is right and what isn´t.
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Who is having all this sex with Julian Assange?
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