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Old 12-07-2010, 02:18 PM   #211
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Let's put the personal jabs aside and get back to the topic, gang.
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Old 12-07-2010, 02:40 PM   #212
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Aaw Diemen, I was just meaning to ask financeguy how Irish folks feel taking billions of bail-out from Nazis to support their ongoing turbo-capitalism game. But I appreciate you step in, alright, back to the topic.. let´s post some newsworthy question:

Has the US bombed Sudan or not?
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Old 12-07-2010, 02:52 PM   #213
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Aaw Diemen, I was just meaning to ask financeguy how Irish folks feel taking billions of bail-out from Nazis to support their ongoing turbo-capitalism game. But I appreciate you step in, alright, back to the topic.. let´s post some newsworthy question:
We are being foisted with debts which private banks who happen to have their headquarters located in this country owe to other banks whose headquarters are in other jurisdictions.

Incidentally, this 'bailout' is profoundly anti-capitalist, actually it's more of a socialisation of losses approach. Your understanding of how capitalism is supposed to operate is so utterly and profoundly incorrect and misguided that I don't know where to start, I have said back as far as early 2008, at a time when you were not posting here, that I was opposed to a socialisation of banking losses approach, and have previously invited you to read the record of my posts if you wished to ascertain my viewpoint. Among the great things your country has given the world, along with its architecture and music, is a certain school of thought in economics called the Austrian school - perhaps you should read up on it.

Would Milton Friedman, Ayn Rand or Ludwig von Mises approve of socialisation of losses - I doubt it.
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Old 12-07-2010, 03:39 PM   #214
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I´ve been reading about the Austrian school matey.

Let´s postpone our capitalism discussions and stick to the wikileaks topic. What do you think about Sudan and the Nato plans for Poland and neighboring countries?

btw, I haven´t seen any leaks from Irish embassy.
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Old 12-07-2010, 03:43 PM   #215
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Only 301 documents actually leaked so far. 249,699 to go!
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Old 12-07-2010, 03:49 PM   #216
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Also, fuck Mike Huckabee. What a sham he is.
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301? nope. 960.

this will take about 2 years, just like watergate, if they continue at that speed. surely no one would read thousands of documents at once?
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Yep. (Must have got the 300 number from something a few days old.) But, point being, all this - from under 1K - and all of that to go: the mind boggles.
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well Earnie, what do you think about President Sarkozy cuddling with Lula from Brazil, about spying on the UN, and about Sudan and the strategy of keeping the Nato stuff in Poland secret (Clinton including the "right replies" to journalists requests in her cable)?

My opinion is Russia found it all out pretty soon, they got a secret service too. And with over a million folks to log on, and the stories we heard about red-haired Russian spies, erm.
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btw, I haven´t seen any leaks from Irish embassy.
There was one item...seemingly the President had asked Hillary to ask the embassy why he had to take time out of his schedule to meet a fat drunk Irish tourist named Brian in the White House on St Patrick's Day when he had more pressing concerns to attend to......he was advised by the embassy that there were a few thousand voters in Boston and Staten Island who might not vote for him next time if he didn't.

Ok, I'm joking, but the Shannon stopover did feature in embassy despatches leaked by Wikileaks:

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It's tempting to think of Julian Assange as an enigmatic international criminal mastermind. Romantic, even. And he certainly cultivates that image himself, with the wild hair and the comedy sunglasses. But Assange is no mastermind: his vanity, his hubris and his insatiable desire to see the world burn have led him to make a fatal, final error. As a result, the Wikileaks project is doomed.

At the tail-end of last month, Assange indicated to a journalist that he had information about a major US bank that would cause a scandal to rival Enron. That was a catastrophic misjudgment. Because now, one by one, every financial institution connected to Assange is severing his ability to finance Wikileaks. Each is giving very slightly different reasons - usually connected to terms of service and "illegal activity" - but all of their motivations are the same: in the middle of a recession, it would be disastrous to their own businesses should Assange attempt to take out a major bank.

For all the mirrors around the internet replicating Wikileaks's content, the organisation will fall without the financial resources to continue sifting through its vast repository of documents.

Corporate America has swung into action against Wikileaks, acting swiftly and brutally. PayPal and MasterCard have now withdrawn their services and Assange's Swiss bank account has been frozen. The cost to Wikileaks in lost donations is already significant. And while this isn't the first time Wikileaks has had its income threatened - Moneybookers, a British payments company, shut down its account back in October - this time the financial services companies are acting as one. That spells disaster for a site that operates on donations from the public.

Banks and payment services aren't the only ones gunning for Assange, of course: besides Amazon, which withdrew Wikileaks's hosting service, even Twitter has been accused of censoring their trending topics so that Wikileaks does not appear as one of the most popular current subjects of discussion. (If true, that will disappoint and annoy its most vocal fans, who tend to towards a Left-leaning, utopian vision of the internet that approves of Assange's version of terrorism.) But it's the financial services companies that will take him out.

Assange has a strange, naive understanding of the word "transparency" that seems to mean "absolutely everything out in the open". But government and business cannot function without a healthy level of obfuscation and euphemism - a truth so obvious it should not need to be stated. In truth, Wikileaks was always an unsustainable project. In a capitalist democracy, leaks are supposed to act as checks and balances; they're not supposed to be the mechanism by which the whole system operates, nor the system in fear of which it is held back from progress and profit.

But then, Julian Assange cannot be judged by usual rational standards, because he's a clearly a much more dangerous kind of whistleblower than your usual here's-a-DVD-for-a-few-grand disgruntled ex-employee. Assange is an ideologue who thinks he can remould the world as he imagines it ought to be. Worryingly, given the power of the internet, he's almost right. But fortunately, given the level of his self-delusion, he's making mistakes enough that the powers that be have a pretext to stamp on him.

Now that he's alienated the government, big business and, increasingly, the public, Assange will fade rapidly into obscurity. But we can't afford to get smug just yet: Assange was arrested in London this morning, but should he be found guilty of rape and incarcerated, more super-leakers will rise in his place, emboldened by his achievements and hungry for the same kind of counter-cultural fame.

It will take a truly Herculean - and harmonious - effort by government and businesses to keep these dangerous extremists in check. But at least now we know how to go about it. Follow the money.

Milo Yiannopoulos will be interviewing PayPal's vice president of product development on stage tomorrow at the LeWeb conference in Paris. You can watch the interview, which will include questions about PayPal's decision to suspend Wikileaks's account, here at 11:55 UK time.
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Whether he raped anyone or not, the issue is that at least in interviews I've seen, Assange has stated that he puts himself out in public as the face of WikiLeaks to take the heat off the site and to draw all the fire for it. Ego complex aside, he's been very good at doing the direct opposite recently.
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well Earnie, what do you think about President Sarkozy cuddling with Lula from Brazil, about spying on the UN, and about Sudan and the strategy of keeping the Nato stuff in Poland secret (Clinton including the "right replies" to journalists requests in her cable)?
I think that these are all example of realpolitik, not particularly surprising and hardly shocking or anything of that nature. It's how the world works, and rightly so. Or at least, it was until this man Assange arrived on the scene spewing his venom while pretending to be some kind of modern day Joan of Arc.

Unfortunately this man Assange, whatever his motivations, does not recognise that nations are entitled to keep secrets, just as individuals are.

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My opinion is Russia found it all out pretty soon, they got a secret service too.
Yes, but unlike America, a friendly ally of Europe, Russia does not have any proper controls and balances over its secret service that are considered normal in more democratic societies. In fact they have barely evolved since the Soviet era, with the possible exception of sending fewer people to gulags these days.
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Old 12-07-2010, 06:33 PM   #225
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oh there's been plenty of lives lost, but not due to Wikileaks
That's debatable.

Also, read this in an article.

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WikiLeaks released a dozen new diplomatic cables, its first publication in more than 24 hours, including the details of a NATO defense plan for Poland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania that prompted an indignant response from the Russian envoy to the alliance.



Also, I actually don't think the charges against him have anything to do with Wikileaks.

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Attorney Gemma Lindfield, acting on behalf of the Swedish authorities, outlined one allegation of rape, two allegations of molestation and one of unlawful coercion stemming from Assange's separate sexual encounters in August with two women in Sweden.

Lindfield said one woman accused Assange of pinning her down and refusing to use a condom on the night of Aug. 14 in Stockholm. That woman also accused of Assange of molesting her in a way "designed to violate her sexual integrity" several days later.

A second woman accused Assange of having sex with her without a condom while she was asleep at her Stockholm home.

Assange's lawyers have claimed the accusations stem from a "dispute over consensual but unprotected sex" and say the women only made the claims after finding out about each other's relationships with Assange. WikiLeaks lawyer Mark Stephens says the case has taken on political overtones — a claim Swedish officials have rejected.
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