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Old 07-28-2009, 02:11 AM   #151
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And here I thought I was being compared to King Leonidas, until I read the list of attributes and saw that clearly this was a paean to diamond.

Ah, I'm just a kinder gentler windbag is all.
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Old 07-28-2009, 02:26 AM   #152
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Old 07-28-2009, 09:54 AM   #153
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Don Lemon, the reporter/anchor for CNN, interviewed an African American officer who was there with Sgt. Crowley at the press conference. She said she had voted for Obama but she wouldn't again just because of his "stupidity" comment. Maybe after time and her initial anger passes she would reconsider, but I can't imagine saying that just because the President made an ill advised comment (which I'm sure if he was truly honest with himself and put his ego aside he would take back and not in the half hearted way that he did, just in general maybe a word other than "stupidly" would have been a better word choice given his stature..and would not have escalated the situation) such as that about a fellow officer. But that's the way some police officers operate-in some cases supporting their fellow officers no matter what, and it goes way beyond a voting decision. It's that defensiveness and that kind of reaction to any sort of criticism and the way they stick together no matter what that creates certain public perceptions.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-w..._b_244888.html

Under Massachusetts law, which the police officer was supposedly enforcing, yelling at a police officer is not illegal.

There are clear decisions of the Massachusetts courts holding that a person who berates an officer, even during an arrest, is not guilty of disorderly conduct. And yet that is exactly what Gates was arrested for.

The Massachusetts statute defining "disorderly conduct" used to have a provision that made it illegal to make "unreasonable noise or offensively coarse utterance, gesture or display," or to address "abusive language to any person present." Yet the courts have interpreted that provision to violate the Massachusetts Constitution's guarantee of freedom of speech. So police cannot lawfully arrest a person for hurling abusive language at an officer.

In several cases, the courts in Massachusetts have considered whether a person is guilty of disorderly conduct for verbally abusing a police officer. In Commonwealth v. Lopiano, a 2004 decision, an appeals court held it was not disorderly conduct for a person who angrily yelled at an officer that his civil rights were being violated. In Commonwealth v. Mallahan, a decision rendered last year, an appeals court held that a person who launched into an angry, profanity-laced tirade against a police officer in front of spectators could not be convicted of disorderly conduct.

So Massachusetts law clearly provides that Gates did not commit disorderly conduct.
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Old 07-28-2009, 10:13 AM   #154
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So the woman who called in is now insisting that the police report is inaccurate and that she never told the police officer that she saw black men with backpacks.

Interesting.
And the 911 call is out there for all of us to hear, confirming her story. That means the officer wasn't truthful when filling out his report of the incident. Gasp. When you lie about one aspect of a situation to put your actions into a more positive light, it's not much of a stretch to think that you could be lying about others. Shocking, I tell you.
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Old 07-28-2009, 10:17 AM   #155
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I think the police report is talking about what she allegedly said when the police got there-after the 911 call. That doesn't mean the report is accurate about what she said then-just that the call wouldn't be involved. After the call it's her word against the officers' words.
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From my understanding though, Gates had entered the house either before or as she made the call (she admits as much when she says that she didn't see him), and then he didn't come outside again until after the police arrived. And also, if she had changed her story, why would she change from the men having luggage, which they clearly did, to backpacks? That doesn't make sense.
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From my understanding though, Gates had entered the house either before or as she made the call (she admits as much when she says that she didn't see him), and then he didn't come outside again until after the police arrived. And also, if she had changed her story, why would she change from the men having luggage, which they clearly did, to backpacks? That doesn't make sense.
I know what you're saying. It sure seems to me that a police report should be a true and accurate account of all statements. To the point where you can't change "luggage" to "backpacks". Because even a detail such as that could make someone question the accuracy of the entire report.
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Exactly. And if you look at potential motivations, she had nothing to lose or gain by telling the truth. The officer did.

What I gathered from the call is that she was reluctantly involved to begin with, that she only called to fulfill the request of a concerned (read: possibly busybody) neighbour. I kind of feel sorry for her. It seems that the officers involved and perhaps the department in releasing the information initially tried to make it seem as if her call was racially-based - "look! Neighbours suspected that something unsavoury was occurring because it was two black men, so it's not unusual that we would, either."
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And two people with backpacks would be more likely to be attempting a B and E than two people with luggage. Only the most brazen (or clueless) criminal would use luggage in the daytime. Then again she said luggage on the call so what would be the point-unless they were going to say that she said she was wrong in the call and meant to say backpacks? I can't say what they were doing in this case but starting out with an accurate report is a good idea.

I know from personal experience that police officers can and do lie to cover their own misdeeds. Doesn't mean I assume it happens in every case, or in this case. But it happens, let alone fitting reports to any agenda or whatever you want to call it.
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apparently Obama was not blind sided at the news conference

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In fact, when aides helped the president prepare for his news conference July 22, they told him the incident had become a prominent story and could come up as a question. So Obama was ready. But he escalated the situation with one word he would quickly come to regret: "stupidly."

Gibbs said: "I think if he would do it again, he would change a word."

Gates arrest a delicate matter to hash out over beer - Los Angeles Times
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Old 07-28-2009, 02:21 PM   #162
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Obama has lost her vote.

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I'm sure he's devastated.
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I am sure you are right, he has been desperately trying to get out of this situation he carelessly put himself in.

he has lost much of his support among moderates and independents

that is where the 2008 election was decided.


I have always said 'race issues' are at the top of the list of our problems in America.

There are many, many blatant, indisputable examples of race bias, racism and race intolerance.

This never was a clear cut example of any of those.
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Sometimes I feel completely invisible. Oh well.

Hey I picked up on it long before Drudge and he just jumped on it today. Maybe we have some sort of psychic connection
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